I agree with you mate, but there is only one man who can communicate that to the players, We can just give a opinion on it. You can see the Pack some games just being rolled back. Almost a " Brough will kick us back down there ".

I don't really think we have the players to perform like the teams mentioned on a regular basis, That's why I think it's vital to get players to play above themselves, or at least perform for the whole game, but that's not easy unless they want it themselves.

That's a point, but why would the club want to secure the services of a player who has no go forward, we have that player in Lawrence. shouldn't we be looking for good all round players, who can attack and defend, more in the Wardle mould. It's not for us to know I suppose.

He doesn't have no go forward. Hughes is consistently making 100 metres plus a game.

Shh with the facts

The point is he has as much go forward as a homegrown player. We are yet again doing other clubs a favour by developing their players for them. Aren't we dumb!
Hughes currently wouldn't get a look in at Wigan! Considering the amount of game time Bruno has had - he's still our 6th highest tackler in the squad. His avg gain is similar to Hughes. He's not let us down - poor lad must be wondering what he needs to do- comes in does a solid job, does nowt wrong, player gets fit, he's dropped! He's OOC soon- wouldn't be surprised if he was to leave.
Too much of that to me. Lawrence will get a game with ferres injured, play well then as soon as ferres is fit he will be dropped- why would he want to stay?

Spot on. There were individual mistakes from the backs but the reason we lost control was due to the forwards - once they start with the silly offloads and penalties, all composure seems to go. It's one of the reasons I'd always have Bruno in the team, when this happens we are crying out for his defensive qualities.

Hughes may be arguably better with his go forward (although Bruno has been much improved in this area when he's played this season) but for me the daft penalties he gives away (I know he's not the only one) undoes any advantage in making metres he has over Bruno. I therefore don't see much between them so can't understand why we'd play a loan player rather than one of our own.

Anderson says a point lost. When we lost the lead.. And deservably so it was defiantly a point won. Catalans determination was superb.
I'm actually very happy after this weekend.

Individual errors and brain farts cost us the game along with Catalans good play.

Murphy, McGillvary, Broughy and Wood stood out for me.

Ferres looked dangerous before he hobbled off.

Didn't think we was a team people bothered about but it was have a dig at the Giants day yesterday so we are obviously turning a few heads.

I believe Hughes has played every game (16) and has given away 8 penalties so again the stats do not back up your comments.
The two that stand out on penalties are Wardle 15 and Huby 13. Also Brough with 10 is very poor for a half back and i bet a fair percentage of his are for dissent.

Taking a quick look at the stats on the Super League site, they seem to support my argument:
Hughes gives twice as many penalties away as Bruno on average
Hughes misses 5 times as many tackles as Bruno per game
Hughes makes nearly twice as many errors as Bruno
Average metres made is about the same as is the average gain

Stats can be made to support most arguments as we take those we want to use but I go back to I don't think there is much between the players so it makes no sense to me to play Hughes ahead of Bruno.

For Anderson to have him as a main stay in the side since signing, he must have good reason. It may not be obvious to the layman but there is quite clearly a reason for a ex pro and professional coach of good standing to think he's better.

With reference (not a dig) to the previous post "Stats can be made to support most arguments" But how many more minutes has he played and against which opposition?, these would be mitigating circumstances with regards 'the stats' I would imagine.

I'm a big fan of Lawrence but I also think Hughes has been very good for us too, by swapping one for the other what do you get really? The difference would be negligible other than ones from this side of the pennines. I'd love a team full with Hudds lads but we haven't the quality to do that. That seems to be some peoples reason for having Bruno in the side over Hughes, but Anderson quite obviously has other(s) and in him we have to trust for the time being. And to be honest 2nd row is something we have a bit of wealth in. Its other areas we lack the dynamics to make a difference at times.

I agree with both your main points - we need to trust Anderson with his selections and we certainly have issues to resolve that are far higher priority than the Hughes v. Bruno debate - but I was just outlining my view on the information I have and from what I've watched (which is nothing compared to PA, I'm happy to admit) why I'd have Bruno over Hughes.

Well we was winning comfortably in the first half, totally dominant! Infact the game could have been over if we got the video ref decisions. The first one where wardle was judged to have shoulder charged is abit of a joke !
Also when connor had the line begging but failed to pick the ball up off the ground

2nd half was poor from us, knock ons and penalties gave catalans too much ball and they got a roll on. yet again though if murphy would have put mcgillvary over earlier on then the game would have been put to bed so we only have ourselves to blame for throwing it away.

At the end it felt like a win with the spectacular try from mcgillvary and brough touch line conversion
(note how most neutral fans were willing catalans to win and booing brough)

but on reflection it was really a point lost, at least warrington lost and failed to gain on us in the league.

BIG games coming up now which will prob decide if we can get that top 4 spot.

for me what we get is this - We get our LOCAL lad - who is willing to put his body on the line for his hometown club, instead of a disillusioned player wondering what he needs to do to get in front of a youngster who wouldn't get a look in at wigan........... we get to KEEP a player who will be better value for money than many others who offer the same as he does (and perhaps in many instances less as he can fill in nicely at centre), we don't develop a player for a rival team, and we get other LOCAL lads thinking its worth signing for Giants........
For me the issue is wider than which of those two players play.

I believe Anderson will be picking the team on ability rather than birthplace, and as I said it would be great to have a team full of Huddersfield players, but its certainly no reason to pick a player.

Its sounds like I'm arguing for Hughes inclusion but I'm not, I see no reason to drop him but also have no idea why Bruno is not in, l guess I'm arguing for Andersons judgement, he's in a better position than us to suggest who's worth a place. I don't rate Grix this season personally and l often wonder why he's been selected over others, but I understand there are arguments for and against him too, but the choice is that of the coaches.

We as fans have an affinity to team that the coach won't have, unless a fan himself, which may border on sentiment at times and theres no room for sentiment when picking a team I'm afraid.

In the end theres only one opinion that can be measured in terms of results and thats the one of the coaches.

Maybe someone should ask a member of the coaching team for a answer?

bruno and hughes should both be in for me, but for who? maybe mullally? but then neither of them are props.wardle? murphy? ta'ai?
i like lawrence, he is a consistently solid performer, hard working, not flashy, just get's his job done in a quiet way, as does hughes, who i think has done fine