i agree, but had this discussion before!

Turned from Giants worst into your favourite five scapegoats
Next we will be mentioning players who have had a bad game at full back.

i realise its all about opinions but surely even those who didn't have him as one of their favourite players cannot seriously think he is one of the 5 worst players for us since 1998 ??

tryscorer - yes
flamboyant -no
Scapegoat -Yes
Poor player - Definitely not !!

i didnt put david hodgson in my worst 5. But someone has and i can see why, no need to shoot them down, at least they have had a go at naming a 5. Some may not want to name a 5 but did the topic just to keep the forum ticking over as it was dying a slow death!

To be honest I'm pretty poor with names generally. If I can't remember them they should probably be on the list!

Seriously, are you mad - one of the best wingers about in his heyday.

Was crap at Cas also.

Korkidas was pretty dire at wakey too!

Interesting reading some of the names on here. Those Hudds teams of 1999 to 2000 that were wooden spoonists by miles actually had players that were decent players at other clubs: Goulding, Wright, Bentley, Arnold, Fozzard, Laughton, Clinch, Gleeson, Crowther, Ngamu. Its a shame it didn't work at Hudds but when you look at the other wooden spoon teams of the SL era, no way did they have quality like that.

Cardoza was a frustrating player. I remember in 2002, Warrington signed three players from Hudds, Fozzard, Cardoza and Weston (I think Weston had been at Widnes for a year or so before he came to us but anyway). I thought that these were three good signings at the time who were underrated but only Fozzard delivered. Weston didn't even play for us, he did a runner back to Widnes although he didn't make waves for them in SL either.

Cardoza though, I remember seeing him in pre season and thinking what an athlete this dude is. Lean and powerful and he was explosive off the mark. He looked like the kind of player that would be a handful to tackle and really had the physique to make it. I thought he was an undiscovered gem. But a couple of months in to the season his contract was terminated and he never played SL again.

There was a fans forum at Wilderspool with the then coach David Plange and someone asked why did we get rid of Cardoza. Plange basically said Cardoza had bags of natural ability and the physique for it but he just didn't want to be a professional enough, apparently they'd had an honest conversation about it and had pretty much agreed that it was better for him to have a career in the lower leagues, where he could enjoy the lifestyle he liked, and still get away with it on the field because of his natural ability. I suppose the life of a full-time pro and all its sacrifices isn't for everyone and thats fair enough.

Actually following up my post above, what did you guys think of Craig Weston when he was at Hudds? The reason I had thought he was an undiscovered gem was that I used to follow the Aussie game pretty closely and in the mid 1990s Weston had been seen as one of the top junior talents in the game. There were a lot of people that seemed to rate him but whenever I saw him play I never saw anything out of the ordinary.

Craig Weston was a cracking player for us, very underated i thought but he played in a team that was very much struggling in the early days of SL.
Was a class act in the lower division though. Was disappointed when he left us and was a shame he never made it in SL.

Yeah I remember I used to always read the League Express match reports from the NFP when Weston was down there and it sounded like he was a class apart.

I think with some players, they are just missing one thing at the top level, and they end up as real world beaters in the lower division but no better than hold their own in Super League.

Neil Turley was one like that. Jamie Rooney, Phil Cantillon and Cliff Beverley also. And another ex Huddersfield player Matt Sturm, we signed him from the NFP when he was rated prop of the year, with him I think it was just he lacked size to be a top flight prop because other than that he had a great engine on him and would run all day as a battering ram, kind of like a Danny Nutley figure just didn't have the physique.

Hudds probably had guys from teh 2002 season that would fit the same description, they carved up the lower division in that promotion year but were just steady eddies when they made the step up.

The guys that make the step up from top national league player to top SL player are quite rare: Brough, Gardner, Wilkin, Hill come to mind but can't think of many others.

if i remember right craig weston suffered a few ankle knee type injuries and had some special boots made that were built up in some way which helped him

Remember Craig Westons first game in our reserve side, I seem to recall he was diagnosed with having one leg slightly shorter than the other which is why he always had hip problems playing for us.

When Gary Schofield was in charge we must have been the most unprofessional side in SL! I remember being in the White Horse on Monday aft on a day off and the squad were all in there getting a good rollocking for getting stuffed the day before.

The meeting ended and they all hit the ale! And they'd probably hit it post-match the day before. Back in the NFP days all of them would come back to the boozer post-match and we'd watch the Sunday SL game. I remember Tony Bowes asking for a Newcastle Brown and the Landlord said he'd have to go to the cellar to get one. "Bring the crate!", said Tony.

I can't see this bunch of players doing that on the weekly basis (if not more) that the squads back then did and I'm absolutely certain many other sides back then, the top sides, won't have been quite the drinkers we were. They'll have had their moments, sure, but they had to have better habits overall!