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| Quote: Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy "I'd imagine the 1982 West Germany v Austria World Cup match will have more credibility than next Thursday's match.'"
Hehe.
£10 bet on our usual this year?
Good luck to your team in the battle for 4th next week.
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| If you finish top of the league , then you should be recognised as the Champion team of the season. The champion team isn't the team that can string 3 wins in a row at the end of the season, having been mediocre all season. Fine the rules don't agree with this , but let's face it the rules are stupid. Try convincing any non rugby league supporter and they look at you as though you're stupid.
If you win the LLS I will be upset, as I want to win it, but full respect for a fantastic effort from your lads for the effort over the full season.
It seems the young supporters have been brainwashed by Sky to think that we have a great competition, when we haven't.
I fear if things don't change we are going downhill. as will the crowds,
but I've only been watching the game for 50 years.
ps I won't be going to the Mickey Mouse Cup final at OT. nor will any of the 5 supporters who I went with last year, even if we get there , as last year the atmosphere was like a pre season friendly, and the whole thing was hyped up rubbish.
So as far as a lot of the older (non brainwashed by Sky) rugby supporters are concerned if you win it , congratulations the true champions.
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| Quote: Mad_Jack_Mcmad "Yeah, almost Machiavellian genius by Wigan in losing to Hull by just one point. I mean if it was me once I'd gone 6 behind I wouldn't have tried to regain the lead on numerous occasions. I certainly wouldn't have kicked a drop goal at 32-26 but true brilliance from Shaun Wane and the lads in making it appear they might actually want to win it.
Leeds as well quite clearly want to finish 4th as they scored 2 late tries to snatch a victory against Catalan when it would've been far easier to just lose, especially as their massive deficit in points difference would have guaranteed them the 4th place.
Of course it could just be that as professional sportsmen they want to win every game they can and understand that the top 4 are all there on merit and would be tough opposition anyway, whoever they play. While moronic fans on the internet continue to belittle the pride and achievements of their players because in some way it compensates for the clear inadequacies in their own pathetic little lives.'"
Nice one. I like this post very much.
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| Personally if I was a fan of a team who thought it was rite to go out and under perform I would feel cheated. Form matters in the build up to the playoffs can't stumble to the grand final!
Everyone has talked about peaking at the rite Time well two games out Wigan have lost another....no form for them.
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| Anyway from me the arrogant Wire fan, I'd love us to win the LLS like any honour, but if you win v Wakefield well done, throughly deserved and smash either Leeds or Wigan to show those fans saying play for fourth for the 'easier' tie how good you actually are.
Good luck tomorrow and your small band(not a dig) of loyal supporters deserve this especially for all the years of you not having the best of times.
WELL DONE HUDDERSFIELD
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| So what Wigan fans are saying is that the masses of them (as they keep reminding us) pay good money for nothing as the players are actually not bothered about winning games in the regular season! But this apparently is a good thing
Their straw clutching is pretty funny- how many league games lost on the trot- but it's fine- it's all some big Masterplan to win the grand final!
Because Leeds have done it differently the last few seasons Wigan fans seem to think thus is genius on wanes part "resting" o loughlin and golden boy. what they are failing to realise is that Leeds have never "rested" star players mid season they have played their strongest side where possible and got the side very tight. Ill happily play anyone cause we know we are capable of beating anyone - wigan fans clearly aren't as confident.
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| Quote: hudders789 "Why are people even entertaining these idiots! who cares what they think, If we do win the LLS then i for 1 will be celebrating from the roof tops! They playoffs dont mean a thing to me. Heres a scenario....hudds win LLS then get 8 players injured and fail miserably in the playoffs due to this and say warrington win the final, what does this prove? absolutly nothing! The whole meaning of superleague champions is the wrong way round, the playoff winners should be the minor champions and top of the table should be the super league champions. And before everyone shouts at me i have said this since the whole silly concept was invented!!!'"
But you choose to voice your thoughts now, where have you been for the last 15 years? CHAMPIONS ARE THE GRAND FINAL WINNERS - swallow the pill now.
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| Quote: ant1 "But you choose to voice your thoughts now, where have you been for the last 15 years? CHAMPIONS ARE THE GRAND FINAL WINNERS - swallow the pill now.'"
Correct but finishing top is an achievement in itself and I am happy with that. Might not be this year but keep going as we are and one day we will be "true" champions and if this season is the stepping stone to reach that level then it will be just what the doctor ordered if we win the GF this year even better.
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| Quote: FLYINGPROP "
Only to the teams that haven't won it that season or to arrogant fools, to me it means your the best team of the season cos its given to the team with most points in the league and who have been consistent week by week
Hope we go onto win the GF cos if we do the LLS still means means a hell of a lot more to me than a money making 4 game play off (the Challenge Cup is the knock out comp)
I have stated this numerous times that I would rather win the LLS than GF but unless we do no one would believe me but IMO the Champions are the ones who win the league as in most sporting competittions I know of!!'"
The LLS doesn't mean you're the best team over the season because the fixtures aren't equal and the best teams don't aim to finish top, they aim to win the grand final. Only winning the grand final gives you the tag of champions. So quit with this ''finishing top means your'e the best blah blah blah'' because it's bullcrap.
How you can even entertain this notion when we have this competition structure beggers belief. The fixtures aren't even equal for christ sake. Mother of god, when will people stop spouting this rubbish about finishing top. Only a special kind of stupid harbours these type of opinions. The only way finishing top would be worth what you say it is, is if the fixtures were equal and everyone knew before that top spot = champions.
Your avatar is apt.
The fact you throw the CC into the conversation is hilarious. Wigan won the CC this year without beating a single top 6 team. Yet I imagine a special person like you probably puts more worth on the CC than the grand final where you are guaranteed to have to beat your main rivals in consecutive games.
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| Quote: pep1505 "Main point is people will always say something means nothing if they don't have a chance of winning it themselves!!
For me topping the league is really what being champions is all about - Not a knock out competition amongst a much reduced competitive pool of 'talent'!'"
Theres so much wrong with this I, I, I just don't know where to begin.
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| Quote: wigsey "This guy is deluded.
No proof whatsoever for his ridiculous theory.
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It's irrelevant. Finishing top doesn't give you the tag of champions, therefore theres no need to even discuss what would happen if it did, the fixture schedule would be even for starters. Who did hudds play at MM and who did wigan and warrington play? yeah. It's like saying if huddersfield hadn't crawled up their own ar$es at warrington they'd have won the CC. All we have is the here and now and the facts. Finishing top doesn't give you the tag of champions so huddersfields acheivment is secondary to everyone except them.
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| Quote: hudders789 "The whole meaning of superleague champions is the wrong way round, the playoff winners should be the minor champions and top of the table should be the super league champions. And before everyone shouts at me i have said this since the whole silly concept was invented!!!'"
That's fine.
[iBut that is not the system that is currently in place[/i
So all this bollox about ''i'm happy finishing top it shows we are the top team'', is wrong under the current cicumstances.
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| Quote: Ivor C&G Scarf "So, teams purposely go out and lose matches just so they don't finish top?
Garbage!'"
No, they don't go out to lose matches.
But they will tailer their conditioning, training and team selection to make sure they are at full tilt during the playoffs, which may mean they are under par at other periods resulting in losses.
Which now apparently qualifies a team who goes all to finish top rather than make sure they are at their best for the part of the season which decides the best team..... as the best. Go figure.
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| There is no award for "best team" just Champions and LLS winners.
If you want to say either (or indeed someone else) are the best team go ahead but others will shoot holes in your thinking either way and in some ways that is the thing about sport even someone like Phil Taylor can go a few years without winning the World Championship but trying to say he is not the best in the world is a difficult argument to make.
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| translation = the whipping boys have become good and we cant accept it so will try and belittle their achievements !
We want to see our team win silverware, win tomorrow and we do just that - we will deal with the end of season competition later.
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