To answer your question danril.. no i don't as I am not with the players like NB PA et all.....

Your anwser of play like we did earlier in the season is fair comment however its been the answer for many weeks now and with the exception of Hull KR where we improved a bit it hasn't happened and that worries me.....

The players do video analysis NB does analysis on each players game etc etc... so what is being missed ??? The comment over my job was purely as an indicator as to what happens in real life and to what i would expect to be happening at the Giants. But how do you explain the last 12 minutes last night ?? Its NB and PA's job and its gone on for too long either we are not good enough which i could accept but we still keep being told we are potential grand finalists??

We haven't been that for a couple of months.... in fact on the last ten games we are not even top eight contenders and the difference from say may/june when we were to now is the worrying bit

You are right in that we've not even been close to our best for two months. It is certainly a real worry as to what exactly has happened that is so serious that NB seems unable to rectify it. When you look on the pitch at times they don't look like they are trying. The props aren't running with the same venom. We aren't dominating the tackle. We aren't getting on the front foot. We aren't busting tackles or breaking lines. We aren't "working hard for each other" as Nathan would say. Why not?

They have shown what they can do but for some reason it's just not happening. We lack leadership on the pitch.

Danril,

our props are not busting tackles because they are shot, with Mason missing much of the season we only have Eorl & Griff as true props, Larne is an impact prop only not a hard grunt prop, Raleigh, Faalogo, Horne, Kirmond et all are not props. The burden of the 60/70 minute games week after week have left Eorl & Griff shot.

We have rotated centres and back row to keep guys fit for "the business end of the season" and burnt out the heart of our pack while denying ourselves continuity out wide (how many consecutive games have we selected any combination in the backs?).

I don't agree because Eorl and Griff haven't been playing 60-70mins week after week. Larne isn't busting tackles any more either which isn't explained by your theory.

We invariably start like snails, can't catch a ball and end up defending for the first 20mins of each half. That is problem #1 IMO. We start badly and waste energy defending because we cannot complete a set. Our attitude is wrong or we are full of nerves. At the moment it is more likely nerves. We need a bloke on the pitch to guide them. To lead them.

I highlighted a weakness in our props in a post last week i said we needed a big nasty evil prop for next season !! we do and its a shame we can't get him now... Doof was our best forward for me last night as a back rower so why oh why make him a prop ??

On a thread last week someone correctly said we are not getting speed up because we are lining up too flat.. last night with a skinny 10 being played by Childs we should have lined up deeper so the ball receiver was at speed with a chance to break the line... strangely we seem to line up deeper at home.... and play so much better .... how many times away do our forwards get the ball stood still ?? if Luke is going to run across the line we need three deep running forwards to decoy the defence and hit the tackles at speed which is what breaks them

Not recently they haven't but first half of the season they were playing big minutes week in week out - agree about the nerves and leadership though

brown needs to play players in there best positions and stick with it!

ok injuries force changes but at the start of the season we had a near full squad and he was still messing about with the team! all season the team has been unsettled because of this

mr tinkerman and its not working, he opted for the big squad and its back fired.

Heres his tinkering...some bad some not so bad

GRIX - utility player come full back.. worked out well,needs to improve attack coming into the line
LAWRENCE- Centre come wing now second row... for me lawrence is a centre play him there!
CUDJOE - wing, centre, full back , stand off... keep at centre.
GILMOUR - centre, second row... started off a centre now just played whereever needed
ROBINSON- hooker, scrum half .. was scrum half but more success at hooker
FAALOGO - 2nd row ,prop... was supposed to ow be a prop but back at 2nd row
FAIUMU- hooker, 2nd row, prop .... played all over
LUNT - hooker, 2nd row ... revelation at hooker first season then poor last year when changed. back to hooker
RALEIGH - 2nd row ,prop ...not a prop but had to become one
KIRMOND- 2nd row, prop... brown wanted him to be a prop but changed his mind now 2nd row
PATRICK - 2nd row ,prop .
HORNE - prop, 2nd row, centre
MCNALLY - half back..full back
SIMPSON- centre, wing, hooker

its ok to be versatile but too much messing about for me, jack of all trades master of none spring to mind

i think the answer to halifax giants questions are

1 - no brown should commit fully or be replaced

2 - no thewlis is a bad apple in all this for me making quantity signings a issue not quality, and very rigid with wage structure

3- no the current squad has too much of that for me squad men not quality.

not sure if major problem in orginasation, i feel main reason for our fall from grace has been the injury situation which with the average squad fillers leads us to put out average players.

think thewlis has more influence on signings etc than we think

spot on there squad too big... 'squad men and not quality'

I have amalgamted a few threads as they seem to be covering the topic of What is Going Wrong.

With so many threads people were posting the same things on lots of threads. Hopefully this will tidy it up a bit.

FWIW here are my thoughts.

Some of the problem is the EXPECTATION of the fans.

Our two biggest rivals are Wire and Wigan neither of whom i believe are spending the same money as us on players.

They are the Man U and Man City of SL. We are the Tottenham.

We can give them a good run for their money but cannot keep up with them week in and week out.
Our best chance of a trophy was against Wire in the CC where we were robbed.
Not only do they spend more they have beter and more established youth academies than us. Wire are paying for taxis to take Huddersfield youngsters to Wire to train

Because we cannot match the bigger teams and their resources we do have the mentality in the club of punching above our weight and the psychological effect of thinking our best chance of a trophy is the CC. When the coach says that and we then go out of the CC it is bound to affect the players.

We have probably gone too much for quantity rather than quality players but we are tied in to having to keep our academy products as per the SL rules. As a result we have to pay some of them more than they are currently worth ( although in time they will become worth that money).

We do not have the same level of quality indavidual players as some teams we play as a team. Our strength is as a team. Our first 17 fully fit and playing week in wek out would match anyone. The problem comes when some players are out.

Like an engine one or two bits not working is enough to make the whole thing stop working. You might have a Mercedes but if a p[siton is broken it will not work no matter how much the rest of it is well built.

When we lose one or two players it afects everything else down the line. Losing Lunt means Robbo has top do 80 mins, losing Brough means the kicking game is gone and the forward do not get a rest, losing Brown means the organisation and the plays fall flat, losing LOD means we lose our one leader.

Last year McGuire had 6 captains at Wigan. That was 6 leaders on the pitch at one time. We do not have that that level of leadership on the pitch. This has brought home how important BODGY was to the team.

All of the above has led to the crisis of confidence and hence the bad performances.

All the other points people have made may or not be true that players are injured or overtrained, that some recriutment decisions were bad, that Brown likley to go threatens stability, some players may have given up, too many changes at the wrong time. We probably need a couple of new players particularly a PROP and a centre. We also need a new leader like a O'Loughlin or Sinfield. None of us really know. Despite the bad performances their has been no lack of effort.

I think the reasons for our downfall were highlighted in the first part of the post. No conspiracy theories just a simple explanation.
All we can do is get behind the team and hope they turn it around.

You don't know anything about griffins situation- you are repeating gossip and hearsay. If having a tattoo means that players are unprofessional that applies to all the lads on the team.

got to agree with your post durham think you have summed it up perfectly for me. I think we are at a stage that wire were at 3 years ago, on the verge but not consistant enough yet.

I was told that the tattoo in question was done by a mate, not professionally, and went septic. Also, not all the lads in the team have tattoos!

I would moved K.Brown back to centre then we need a proper classy clever standoff and 1 quality centre.