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British halves are generally not as canny as Aussie ones and much of that is down to how we train our kids up here. Aussies train their halves from an early age to pass both ways, hold the ball in two hands to keep their options open etc and they do it from ~4 years old.

We don't get them that early and we haven't trained them as well, up to this point at least. And this IMO goes a long way to explaining why we can't beat them on a regular basis.

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Quote: Crackerjack "With or without your blessing or permission they have !! In a democratic world where people have a choice - it would appear that a high percentage of those who regularly bothered to register their vote for a man of the match hold the opinion that despite his weak points (that you so eloquently point out) he has performed reasonably well, and consistently when compared with his team mates .

If the fact that I point this out in response to your request that I post on the topic is "not your concern" , then you should readily understand why I have no concern either that you believe your opinion undisputable. your insatiable desire to single out one player for criticism justifiable , and that a substantial number of keen regular failthful (and -in your opinion it seems- misguided) fans are only on here to read , learn and bow to your infinite wisdom.'"


This is a thread about Robbo on a RL forum. I am contributing to it. I do not think he is a top class SH.

That you do not appear to have the ability to dispute what I say does not make it undesputable. You prefer to regurgitate a list of scores or write about knives or waffle on about 'blessings / permission/ infinite wisdom' rather than make some actual rugby comments.

So rather than indulge yourself in infantile and irrelevant comments. Why not counter what I say. Explain why Robbo is a top flight SH. Why not counter my comments about his kicking game. If you think his left to right passing is a high quality why not tell us about it? If Robbo reads the game like a top SH provide some details. If I can't see it why not show me.

When Robbo plays well he resembles a hooker like Obst far more than a SH like Brough.

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Quote: Danril "British halves are generally not as canny as Aussie ones and much of that is down to how we train our kids up here. Aussies train their halves from an early age to pass both ways, hold the ball in two hands to keep their options open etc and they do it from ~4 years old.

We don't get them that early and we haven't trained them as well, up to this point at least. And this IMO goes a long way to explaining why we can't beat them on a regular basis.'"


spot on fella.there is also an abundence of full backs and hookers over here who are superior to the british counterpart

the australians seem to train their play makers young

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So how do you think he'll go at hooker for you next year?

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Quote: Crackerjack "With or without your blessing or permission they have !! In a democratic world where people have a choice - it would appear that a high percentage of those who regularly bothered to register their vote for a man of the match hold the opinion that despite his weak points (that you so eloquently point out) he has performed reasonably well, and consistently when compared with his team mates .

If the fact that I point this out in response to your request that I post on the topic is "not your concern" , then you should readily understand why I have no concern either that you believe your opinion undisputable. your insatiable desire to single out one player for criticism justifiable , and that a substantial number of keen regular failthful (and -in your opinion it seems- misguided) fans are only on here to read , learn and bow to your infinite wisdom.'"


How does the 3-2-1 scoring system work exactly? It isn't inconceivable to me that it's a flawed system for assessing a player's performance.

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All it is is a points system for what you feel were the best three performers in a particular match. 3 for the best, 2 for second best, 1 for third.

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Robinson has been one of the best players this deason. he's very much a confidence player howeverand when he isn't confident then he plays badly (Wembley, last Saturday etc).

The Brown Robinson combination has been great for giants all season.

Yes he has some weakpoints but so do most players. He's not Peter Sterling but he's solid enough and Huddersfield's game is all about the team not Prima Donna's like Brough.

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Quote: wigsey "Robinson has been one of the best players this deason. he's very much a confidence player howeverand when he isn't confident then he plays badly (Wembley, last Saturday etc).

The Brown Robinson combination has been great for giants all season.

Yes he has some weak points but so do most players. He's not Peter Sterling but he's solid enough and Huddersfield's game is all about the team not Prima Donna's like Brough.'"


But his weak points - kicking , passing l to r and controlling a game are not luxuries for a SH. When he is confident he still cannot execute these skills anywhere near a high enough level.

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Quote: El Diablo "How does the 3-2-1 scoring system work exactly? It isn't inconceivable to me that it's a flawed system for assessing a player's performance.'"


it may be flawed - it is a bit of added interest and somethin "similar" must go on between staff and players to contribute to the end of season awards

........quite simply - supporters who attended the match/ saw it on TV etc award 3 points for their man of the match - 2 for runner up - and 1 for the third for each fixture --and can expand on "why" /"how" they reached that decision

At the end of the season - the player with the most points is player of the season in this particular "contest"

It can obviously be influenced by injuries / being dropped (for whatever reason ) but even then can provide who in the eyes of those who bother to take part is "doing his bit" and making a consistent positive contribution - be it "skill" /"effort" or a combination of both
Whilst different fans see the strength and weakness of a player indifferent ways - in my opinion this particular " fans poll" seemed to indicate that across the board - the majority democratic view was that Robbo hadn`t done too badly on a consistency basis - and there hadnt been much in the way of wave of criticism about his performances previous to last week

Maybe there have been a few lack lustre performaces recently --but that can happen to any player - and it seemed unfair in my opinion to single him out for criticism if hes trying
Whilst I personally feel he sometimes DOES try maybe TOO hard and GO FOR GLORY -- is that worse than taking such a "SAFE" risk free approach that is totally un-inventive and creates nothing ??
Speaking personally --I think not !
What then criticism that he "never takes the defence and offloads uneccesarily"
Life can be difficult for a little lad!! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Crackerjack "


Whilst I personally feel he sometimes DOES try maybe TOO hard and GO FOR GLORY -- is that worse than taking such a "SAFE" risk free approach that is totally un-inventive and creates nothing ??
Speaking personally --I think not !
What then criticism that he "never takes the defence and offloads uneccesarily"
Life can be difficult for a little lad!!
The 'Glory play' is far worse than the SAFE option when defending. Darting out of the line to make a big tackle when it is not necessary undermines a good defensive system. we saw it in the CC Final.

Robbo is not an inventive or creative player. To do that as a SH you need to be able to execute a wide variety of pass and kick options and then select the right one for the situation you find yourself in. Robbo is weak in these areas. he fairs better as a 'hooker' - simpler decisions to make, less need of a kicking game, most passes simpler (to 1st receiver).

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Quote: Marsdengiant "The 'Glory play' is far worse than the SAFE option when defending. Darting out of the line to make a big tackle when it is not necessary undermines a good defensive system. we saw it in the CC Final.

[iI didnt see a good defensive system at Wembley --and it wasnt purely all down to him[/i

Robbo is not an inventive or creative player. To do that as a SH you need to be able to execute a wide variety of pass and kick options and then select the right one for the situation you find yourself in. Robbo is weak in these areas. he fairs better as a 'hooker' - simpler decisions to make, less need of a kicking game, most passes simpler (to 1st receiver).'"


If he was as bad as you paint him MG I think an astute coach such as what we now appear to have would have made concerted efforts to replace him as soon as possible once hed found out that our Australian candidate couldnt come

He hasnt
Hes stood by him and I`ll back his judgement given the improvements we`ve made

After all - if we`ve finished third and Nathan hasnt seen that we could have been much higher if only he hadnt played such a poor player in a key position its time for a change

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Quote: Crackerjack "If he was as bad as you paint him MG I think an astute coach such as what we now appear to have would have made concerted efforts to replace him as soon as possible once hed found out that our Australian candidate couldnt come

He hasnt
Hes stood by him and I`ll back his judgement given the improvements we`ve made

After all - if we`ve finished third and Nathan hasnt seen that we could have been much higher if only he hadnt played such a poor player in a key position its time for a change

How yer fixed??
Try to explain your own views rather than misrepresent mine. I have never said he is a bad player. He is not a top quality SH and I have given specific reasons why I arrive at that conclusion. So far you have not explained why technically he is a top flight SH. icon_rolleyes.gif If you cannot see the CCF defensive errors made by Robbo and their direct consequences I doubt you can analyse his ability as a SH.

If you have proof of what NB has / has not done re the moving of Robbo then provide it. If other clubs did not want him he could not be moved on. We will see what happens in 2010 when NB has some alternatives and whether NB wants to renew the contract at the end of 2010.

Robbo is the weakest SH in the play offs. With a Dobson/Bosc/Burrow/Brough etc we would have had a home tie last week IMO.

This topic requires some sober analysis. How yer fixed?? icon_wink.gif

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How nice to have a proper discussion. Lets keep it that way

I am assured that at the begining of the season Brown was trying to offload Robbo without much success.

Once Carney was not coming it was impossible to get another quality half back in hence the signing of Fulton.

Brough was being touted to replace Robbo with him going to Hooker. The idea was to give us a good kicking game.

When Brough fell through we went for Drew to cover at SH or hooker.

Decisions on Robbo will depend on what happens at the end of 2010 and if we sign a SO or a SH.

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Question

.............so - if you ask a skilled electrician to do the plumbing in a bathroom --and it doesnt work right --whos to blame -the electrician or the contract manager ??

Just a thought icon_rolleyes.gif

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