I agree with you on this one Ant.

Put yourself in the position of a 'new' giants fan. Got home after watching their first game live and decide to search on the internet to find more info and read others experiences at our capital city and what do they find?

A closed shop! We should be encouraging these people to come back, to learn the words to our songs. To sing along.

How do we go forward? Well my idea I will be putting to the club is twofold:

1. When dishing out tickets allocate specific blocks strategically for singers. Then why selling tickets ask people if they want to be in the singing areas and distribute them accordingly. This will create areas of noise within the stadium which will get the other fans singing. For example how many sing "Wise Men Say"? and how many join in with the "Fartown" chant at the end?

2. Offer songsheets to fans when they are purchasing tickets. They can be paid for by prereserved advertising and only charge the advertiser if we get there. Lets face it we have more songs than "Fartown...Fartown..." but our fans and certainly opposition fans never hear then because there are so few of us who know the lyrics.

Lets turn this thread from a negative into a positive and work with the club to ensure next time it doesn't happen - we blamed Twickenham in 06 for the lack of atmosphere in the ground, now we have no excuses.

Nothing described on here is unique to Hudds supporters. At Saints we have people who sit silently, who will only clap when a try is scored (and sometimes when the other side score a try as well!), who will never shout or sing (for or against) or boo the ref, who tell other people off for making a noise, standing up or sitting down or basically doing anything that inconveniences them! And we have consistently got a ton of 'glory hunters' at Wembley - we manage to sell at least 25,000 tickets but get an average gate of around 10,000. It's a mystery, this fan thing, but it's no different at any other club and don't let any other club's fans give the impression that it is! You're just feeling it today because Wembley is a fish bowl: everyone can see you and hear you and compare you.

Did my rendition of forever blowing bubbles at the end do enough to be roped in to our book of hymns?!?

If you look around the pharm on match day the people who like to make noise, chant etc, it's the centre of the Kinler bank. The riverside in general is quiet. The few of us, from our relatively small crowds, who do try and create some atmosphere were never going to compete in a stadium like Wembley.

Thank you very much to all the fans of other clubs for cheering for us. I've seen my team play in front of about 350 fans not long ago. Going bust. Then the Superleague debacle, promoted before anywhere near being ready, merging and finishing bottom of the league 4 seasons running is hardly the best preperation to try and out sing a team as well supported as Warrington. Not having a go at Wires fans but look at how their crowds dropped and all the booing at the start of the season. Imagine if they'd suffered as we have. A team that's played every game in the top flight since day one. We'll be years, if we ever, at all get anywhere near matching that level of support. Don't get on the backs of the fans that do go, be happy we have increased our support in the last 30 years and hope a small measure of success will bring increased support for the future. Young fans are already starting to sitt at the back with us, singing along. They are the future. We need to encourage them.

And if you're Wire and reading this, Well done on your support yesterday, FANtastic!!!

You are right about the two stands at the Galpharm.

My Sister and her lot are planning on moving over to the Britannic stand next season to join in

Then ask your Dad about Knowsley Road!

In a final we do get behind our side, yes, but there are still people whinging in that crowd. I know. I've been near them! We just take more, so they are not as obvious. But they are still there.

Come on be fair, Knowsley Road is not so much a ground more an archaelogical site!!!

We have a great ground with all top notch facilities, we have a really good team and we do have a small number of very dedicated and vocal fans but for what our chairman and his staff including the players have laid on for us in the last few years it's a very poor return....and I'm not talking about numbers here, our home attenances are decent now...pretty steady and competitive...it's just the level of noise we create, even for the derby games...9 times out of 10 we are always outsung by the away support!

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