I'm not going to argue semantics with Code. You asked why people might think that way; that's why.
A well known physicist said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.... Tell me what's being done differently at the Huddersfield Giants this coming season?

So you expect those that own the club to sack themselves?

Are you saying there is more than one owner ?

I don't expect anything from the club jools, except more of the same , I said i was baffled not Expectant, and i am, I have explained why before. Mr Davy is obviously a very clever self made man, and yet It's hard to see how he lets things stagger along year after year in the manner they do at the Giants.
There are people inside the club who have made the most horrible Gaffs more than once, and yet there they still are, If the Giants were a high street business or a Co in industry they would have been long gone now, That is what baffles me.

I know you are a bit of a champion of the club and in a sense It's a credit to you, but in the end you do the club no favors by just accepting everything as the best can be done.

We have one of the best stadiums in the game , we have a big catchment area, and we are in S League, Why is the club no further forward ( further back now than it was 5 years ago ) and why are the same people who have taken it there still running the club, That is what baffles me about Mr Davy.

KD is not short on Bottle, he has plowed his money in, yes he got the Giants for nothing, and he has 20% of the stadium for his money, For me he deserves a lot more , but the ball is " and always has been " in his court.

I have seen quoted on here that he is a very loyal man who doesn't fire people easily, That may well be true, but he does fire them eventually ( Sharpe, Anderson ) because they were not up to the job, Yet there they still are this group of people, seemingly safe and sound in their cosy little jobs, while the club makes yet another fresh start " on the field ".

In my experience of business, success starts at the top and carries down through the whole structure, Only it doesn't seem to carry down from Mr Davy himself, Why do we keep getting rid of players and coaches who are not good enough, and yet keep people higher up, who seem to be quite clearly also not good enough. Have we got the NHS and Banking Syndrome.

Any way It's just my opinion, and i Know there are plenty on here who hold different views. I have seen them before, Maybe It's this , Maybe It's that, we have only half as much money as X Y and Z, the club are doing the best they can.

The bottom line is the club is going backwards and times are changing in League, we survived this time by the width of a goal post, With clubs like Toronto and Toulouse coming along, it ain't going to get easier.

So I expect very little change from the club jools. This is written under the assumption that Mr Davy is still the owner.

And this is just a straight contradiction in terms, " Anyone can come and hear it " but " they don't want everything in the public domain" If there is logic in that it escapes me.

JJ, i take your point, but how do you know that the people running the club aren't doing a good job? for all we know,Mr Davy might be happy with the way things are?, as fans we don't get to see or know about the daily things that go on, like running the club.
i agree that mistakes might have been made in the past and as a club we could do things better, but it's only your opinion that people aren't doing their jobs properly etc, people within the club,players, coaches, seem to think people are doing a decent job in trying circumstances.
Whilst i do appreciate your opinion and do understand that the club could do better, it's pure speculation about what goes on and who does what and where etc, as fans we will never be privvy to that and as fans we should leave the running of the club to the people who know best.

Ok let's start with a few recent ones.

The mason saga. How much did that cost the club. I estimated about £250 k

The kopczak saga. £20k

Not getting rid of Nathan brown earlier. Cost. £ ?

Getting rid of Bodgy. Cost ?

Changing the training programme and. Losing Greg Brown. How much more would it have cost to keep him £10 or 20 K. If you and other posters say we were so unfit we lost games then this season the cost financially has been huge.

Going into a season with a small squad and losing Robbo when it was clear he was at best a huge huge risk. Cost £ incalculable.

The Connor saga. Whether we want to keep him or not it was poorly handled.

All of these I would say are factual problems.

Others are harder to quantify. Around marketing, decision making, recruitment.

If you look at stones comments and you as a loyal supporter will believe everything the club say, then we are too soft, too fat, not mentally tough enough, with the wrong squad.

Whoever is responsible for everyone of the above things I. Can guarantee it is not the fans and the people of Huddersfield who are to blame Unlike what the club and loyal supporters try to lead us to believe

If Mr Davy is happy what is going on at the club then we are doomed.

And to suggest the people running the club know best is laughable.

The people running RBS were the best people to run it.

Theresa May is the best person to run the country so we must let them get on with it without criticism or challenge.

For folks sake man go and buy some hot lava java and wake up.

If the supporters association and loyal fans were not so supine maybe Ken might say or think something different

is connor still going?! last statement from the club was from thewlis saying their would be hell on if it went ahead or to words of that affect ... gone quiet

We have what we have. It's kens club and he will do as he sees fit if that's wrong then He also has to suffer the consequences - mostly in his pocket. We don't have volunteers queuing up to put their time, expertise and money into the club.
We don't even have many supporters interested enough to join the supporters association and contribute- join and ask the questions you want answering.
The blame is on the board- and yes they have made some almighty cockups- but ken can't do it alone and without him and those others Supporting him there wouldn't be s club. We leave it all up to them then moan when we don't like the outcome.
Look at the way KR supporters have rallied round their club- only 5% took an offered discount- that wouldn't happen at hudds because we moan and complain but aren't willing to do a thing to help change the things we complain about.
The club have asked for support many times- once such time I believe Daz was the only person who put himself forward. There's an apathy from outside the club also- instead of coming on a forum and moaning about what we do badly you should contact the club and ask what you could do to help improve things. Durham did that, but when the club wouldn't or couldn't take on board some of his ideas he took his bat and ball home and he's done nothing but moan about them since. The HGSA was set up just after to try to get supporters to contribute their thoughts in a cordinates way- people can't be bothered to join for a fiver a year....

It means, that anybody is welcome to come to a meeting and hear what people say but they also trust that some of the more sensitive stuff and personal thoughts are kept away from social media etc.

You wouldn't expect an evening with, say, a famous person to be broadcast to the wider public, imagine if you had paid for the privilege of hearing someone's thoughts and sensitive stuff, you wouldn't then expect everyone to have access to what was said, that's basically what happens, people ask for things not to be broadcast to the wider public, but anyone is able to come and see and hear the speakers.

Some people see themselves as entitled to know everything that goes on in other people's lives just because they are a "fan" of the club, and yet continue to be negative and pull everything and everyone down, that's not aimed at you specifically JJ but just generally.
I wouldn't expect to know everything that happens inside the club and people's personal and private thoughts just because i support the team, that's what a supporters association is for, to all ends and purposes.

seems to be abit of them v us mentality going on with the hgsa and those that dont go...not good when its supposed to be for the fans but its been like that since the hgsa started suppose, hgsa members coming on here saying they have inside info but cant say hardly encourages others to join

for what its worth i dont think by going to the meetings you get much more info than what the club/papers already give out anyway..can always read between the lines too

Again, things could have been handled better in some cases, and in some cases it does appear that we have "bodged" up, but again, that is just your opinion that the club messed up, for all we know the things you mention could have been solutions to bigger problems, for all we know, some of the things you mention could have been out of our hands? we don't know, we aren't told, and we don't really have a right to know, it's speculation and opinion as to who did or didn't do what.
I don't believe everything the club says, i have my own opinions and beliefs, i support the team and the club by buying season tickets,merchandise , which has been generally poor fayre!,and raising money for junior development via the HGSA. If i feel something isn't been done right or aren't happy with some aspect i will say so, but it just seems that too many people are looking for a blame for everything rather than support the club.
We've had a poor season but it's over now, as supporters, we need to back the coaches, the players and the club, not pull them apart at every opportunity.

First off, and without wanting to sound patronising - fair play to everyone for 'keeping it clean' in what is clearly an emotive issue for some. I have a couple of pointspeople ask for things not to be broadcast to the wider public, but anyone is able to come and see and hear the speakers'"