Well he's gone has he? Fancy That!

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Q:what have huddersfield giants and wigan warriors got in common?
A: both won sod all this season

fancy that

Absolutely.

A season without trophies for both clubs.

fancy that

It took Wigan to lose a player in a moment of rage to cost us winning the GF two seasons running. With 12 men Wigan fought Saints providing worthy opponents until fatigue set in.

Proud of the effort of the 12 plus subs who did what they could to challenge Saints. Can you be as proud considering how your season ended?

Nah, Flower didn't have the correct temperment and just lost it. When it really mattered he couldn't handle the pressure and has ended Wigan's season in disgrace.

On a serious note, your comment implying we shouldn't be proud really highlights the difference between most RL fans, whatever team they support and yourself. Most RL fans support their teams and are proud of that whatever happens on the pitch. I am certain most Wigan fans are proud of that because of affinity with the Wigan club, the same goes for Giants fans, Wakey fans or whomsoever.

There are a few fans though that are only interested in winning things, all successful teams have fans like that, I don't think they get the same enjoyment as more traditional fans. Look at all the Bradford fans who have disappeared since their glory days, but those that remain are the real Heart and Soul of that club, proud they should be, just as I am proud to be a Giant.

Spot on in all respects giantdee.

Just think following wane winding up players to such a degree Wigan have even managed to get RL mentioned on the 6 o clock news on radio 4. First time ever in all my years of listening. Now that's something to be proud of?? Or maybe not...

Flower has played in big games before the GF, namely last years GF and the WCC, he's a young man who lost his head in a highly emotional game, he's human, and in no way should this reflect on the effort and determination the other players showed in the GF.

You should only be proud if there's something to be proud of, not just being proud for the sake of it. I'd be proud of Wigan if I saw effort and desire, even if they did fall short, did you watch Hudds v Wigan or Hudds v Cats? Are you proud of such performances?

I guess part of it was because it happened as part of our showcase, the GF. I remember Wardle hitting Abblet perhaps? and seeing red. But playing at Hudds and not in the GF wouldn't generate as much publicity as Flower's attack on Lance.

Lets face it Wardle would have to sign for someone else to even have the opportunity to play in the GF.

I'm not condoning what Flower did, but I do feel the extra media attention was due to the scale of the event; my opinion. Regardless of such I'm proud of the players that played on and well could have won the GF for a second year running if it wasn't for losing a man (rightly so) in the opening 5 mins.

I'm confident next season we'll be one of the strongest teams in SL, Saints also.

Can you say the same for Hudds?

Yes we can say we will be one of the strongest teams in SL, Certainly be challenging once again.

Doesn`t mean Wigan would have won if Flower had been on the pitch, many times a team reduced to 12 pull off a win due to the rest lifting their game.
So Wigan ended up with sod all, and only the same points in the league as us, but we got the double over you, so that`s 2 - 1 in results, I reckon that`s us with the bragging rights.