I remember one or two on here who wanted to keep Ellis, and then wanted him back

one thing ellis can do is kick goals...sometimes a player like that is worth having in the team just for those vital 2 points.

eden was coming back from a lay off so will have been scratchy but we all know he can have the errors in his game

Ellis was an excellent organiser for us when he first arrived, then hit the pies and forgot how to pass more than 5 feet

And when we got rid of Ellis we also got rid of all our other halfbacks so it was a case of wishing we'd kept one maybe...

Brough and Gaskell doing it with some real quiet quality at the moment though

Inside Jamie Ellis is a quality half back...

...with lots of room.


To be fair, he looked a lot slimmer last week.

One thing I've noticed in the last 3 games is the amount of head high shots going in. Don't know if it's intimidation tactics but to our credit we've not fallen for it and just get up shake ourselves off and get on with it. With the RL trying to get a grip of head injuries you'd like to think that your players are being protected but in those last 3 games the refs just kept giving penalties and things need to be more serious if you are really committed to sorting out HIA's.

The RFL has sent a clear signal in the last few seasons that Giants players are fair game.

It certainly looks that way but only once we started competing against teams above us. Before that they just knocked us over legitimately but just recently there has been a definite increase in high shots.

McShane certainly got away with a few and should have got yellow card at least

It seems that some players can whack a player about the head and get away with it yet if Brough speaks out of turn he gets 3 matches .The RL needs to get its act together.I am not condoning verbals but I have yet to see a players nose flattened by a few naughty words.That one by McShane was bad and also cowardlyand very plain to see on the replay.

Think it may have been frustration by McShane but the responsibility to protect players during any game is the ref and as I stated before they aren't being strong enough with the " bigger" teams. Ukuma got a ban from a crusher tackle when he was in the wrong place in a 3 man tackle yet Jerry gets his head taken off against Wigan and there's just a penalty with not even a talk to the perpetrator who should have at least been put on report/sin binned.

Yes Grandad I think you have hit the nail on the head .I check the disciplinary each week and i find that the bigger sides are rarely penalised Tomkins when we played Wigan was gobbing off at the ref the whole game and nothing said,at Cas Ive seen less headshots in a world middleweight fight.

If Broughy had gobbed off half as much as Tomkins he'd have been binned well before halftime. Tomkins became boring with his moaning and I'm sure he did it to slow the game down as Wigan were out on their feet at times. The so called bigger club's just don't seem to get the right sanctions for their play that a lesser club would get. It's been going on for decades and is getting no better hopefully the new man at the top of SL will get a grip of the situation.

Nope- I don’t buy it. Tomkins can speak to the ref all he wants as captain it’s his right. How do you know he was “gobbing off” we can’t hear what’s said- or crucially HOW it’s said. The problem is broughy doesn’t curb his language and swears and insults.
There’s a big difference in Tomkins in the refs ear all night and Tomkins ranting raving insulting and swearing.

Gobbing off, talking to the ref or asking for the refs phone number it's just a phrase Jools. I wasn't implying that he was being abusive, just monotonous and trying to slow the Giants down to give his side a rest. If you can't hear what's being said out on the field how do you know that Broughy swears constantly? Saying that though I will bough to your superior knowledge on all things RL.

Please don’t put words in my mouth- I didn’t use the word constantly with reference to brough. But we do know he uses foul and abusive language as it says so in his disciplinary reviews!!!!