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| Quote: Durham Giant "Or maybe they feel that his positives outweigh the negatives ( i would guess the coach thinks that), or that the best way to improve is to keep playing at the highest level, or that they feel there is no point in just criticising, or etc etc.
You do have a very concrete way of thinking. It must be so easy living in cripesginger world everything is just black and white without any shades of grey.'"
Spare me your personal cod analysis. It is dreary. the irony of you criticising someone for living in a black and white world will be lost on you
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- show me where i have said the negatives outweigh the positives
- show me where i suggested that he not be played
- show me where i said the coach should just criticise a player
I will have a long wait
Back to reality. after playing RL all his life, being with us 6 months and playing around 20 games GE should be bringing his error rate down. A large proportion of those errors are happining in our 20M / 30M on 1st to 3rd tackles. this is very costly. there is little evidence that what the coaches have done so far re errors is working.
If GE can cut his errors to closer to 1 per game and have some of them further up field he will play for England - jeez I am so critical
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Or maybe they feel that his positives outweigh the negatives ( i would guess the coach thinks that), or that the best way to improve is to keep playing at the highest level, or that they feel there is no point in just criticising, or etc etc.
You do have a very concrete way of thinking. It must be so easy living in cripesginger world everything is just black and white without any shades of grey.'"
Spot on Durham......Eden does make mistakes that is expected, he's a young rawboned lad still learning the game - the only way he will properly learn is by being on the field and in pressure situations.
He can make 10 mistakes a game for me if it makes him a 100% better player in the future, he is exciting to watch with ball in hand and that is something i know i personally love to see when i go to the games.
We cant just keep dropping players because they make too many mistakes - every player does it, Greg's are more noticable because of the position he plays.
Lets enjoy watching this lad play while we've got him here !!.
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| You will probably find the more a player is involved the more his average error rate will go up? Eden is excellent with ball in hand, yes some mistakes but no more than some highly paid players (some of which hardly play!). Give him time he will improve the more he plays & learns from gameday reviews , mistakes & quality coaching.
If we offer eden a fair contract he willl probably sign, offER him the current money he could earn lots more in the national leagues.
Young players, unproven players and local lads get offered the lowest contracts- wonder if some of the older players will move on and let the others earn a good salary too?
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| Quote: GIANT DAZ "Spot on Durham......Eden does make mistakes that is expected, he's a young rawboned lad still learning the game - the only way he will properly learn is by being on the field and in pressure situations.
He can make 10 mistakes a game for me if it makes him a 100% better player in the future, he is exciting to watch with ball in hand and that is something i know i personally love to see when i go to the games.
We cant just keep dropping players because they make too many mistakes - every player does it, Greg's are more noticable because of the position he plays.
Lets enjoy watching this lad play while we've got him here !!.'"
You may wish to expect errors I hope NB and the coaches are not so complacent. Nor is the 'only way to learn' as you have indicated, any part time coach knows that.
i have stated that some people do not bother about his errors...you would be comfortable with 10, oh dear. Lets hope all our players make 10 errors versus salford, that way we will all learn
GE errors are more noticable because he makes more than any other player in SL and he makes many of them in our own 20/30M
Lets hope he will drastically cut his errors so we can enjoy watching him all the more.
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| Quote: Tjhooker "You will probably find the more a player is involved the more his average error rate will go up? Eden is excellent with ball in hand, yes some mistakes but no more than some highly paid players (some of which hardly play!). Give him time he will improve the more he plays & learns from gameday reviews , mistakes & quality coaching.
If we offer eden a fair contract he willl probably sign, offER him the current money he could earn lots more in the national leagues.
Young players, unproven players and local lads get offered the lowest contracts- wonder if some of the older players will move on and let the others earn a good salary too?'"
You are wrong. GE makes more errors than anyone in SL. There are many SL players who have far more involvement in the game yet all make fewer errors. HTH
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| True point, but playing fullback is hard work regardless of age or experience. To me my pal paul reilly was our best recent fb, but he made mistakes as did hodgson, thorman, devere, hanger, lawerence, wally gibson the list goes on...Yes they went high and eden spilt the ball, turning point?
Others can help him and perhaps we need to get of his back and look at the 3//4s who defend lost space?
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| Quote: Tjhooker "True point, but playing fullback is hard work regardless of age or experience. To me my pal paul reilly was our best recent fb, but he made mistakes as did hodgson, thorman, devere, hanger, lawerence, wally gibson the list goes on...Yes they went high and eden spilt the ball, turning point?
Others can help him and perhaps we need to get of his back and look at the 3//4s who defend lost space?'"
turning point at hull kr too...
lets face it, hes a great talent just need to cut down on the errors which will hopefully come in time...if hes still doing them next season then hes not learning.
errors for the giants so far this season -
eden - 33
brown - 15
mcgillvary/robbo/brough - 11
crabtree commented on the super league show on monday night 'eden goes from the top dog to the dog house'
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| TBF I agree with Cripesginger, he does need to work hard on his error rate, at the moment it's a balance between doing something amazing to doing something basic wrong. He needs to cut the errors down to make his a good player into a world class player, and have a chance of removing ST from full back.
Yes as NB said there wasn't much between ST and GE in terms of what he did well, but I don't remember ST making basic errors. Time yet for GE to fix but he needs to cut the errors down, I'll give him some slack as it's his first season, and he's been a real find, but he needs to improve in this area tenfold to be at the level we all want to see him.
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| I agree that cutting his errors is something we need to do but to hear some people basically saying we shouldn't play him because of that is ridiculous.
He, hopefully, will have this coached out of him and like has been said if he's still doing it in 12 months then it could be a problem.
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| if you are looking for villans from friday scott gricks in defence ,
if you are looking for some who lost there form try leroy
edan does make mistakes but so does kev brown he can pass a mile foward or even hit row d
in fact most of the team have there moments is called being human
when the big games come ie semi in july we will need players with the x facture to win .
we should look where we are and get behind the team
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| Honestly fOlks we are over analysing this way too much.
I go to the galpharm to support the giants and enjoy watching exciting rugby.
Eden is exciting and is a wonderful natural talent whether he makes errors or not. I for one , look forward to watching him over the next few seasons and think watching him play rl is worthy of the season ticket alone.
A special talent and one we should be proud of wearing the claret and gold. Think some of us on here are doing way too much theorising, amateur pundits and naval gazing. Enjoy his talent. Enjoy watching his talent , smile , get a life and thank goodness he is a giant . Just see the big picture.
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| Quote: 40 year old giant "if you are looking for villans from friday scott gricks in defence ,
if you are looking for some who lost there form try leroy
edan does make mistakes but so does kev brown he can pass a mile foward or even hit row d
in fact most of the team have there moments is called being human
when the big games come ie semi in july we will need players with the x facture to win .
we should look where we are and get behind the team'"
your right with grix... and also cudjoe, not been in form this season
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| Absolute tosh!
Focus on the occasional negative and miss out all the positives!
Sorry, can't be bothered.
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| Quote: Ivor C&G Scarf "Absolute tosh!
Focus on the occasional negative and miss out all the positives!
Sorry, can't be bothered.'"
Then don't bother
...and 33 errors is far from occassional.
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| For what it's worth I was replying about Grix & Leroy. But since when did that stop you.
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