As we suspected we have improved from last year but not by as much as we hoped.

No team will survive 10 minutes with 12 men if you concede four penalties and don’t touch the ball.

At 10-14 we were going in behind perhaps you could say undeservedly so but great try as it was you have to scratch your head and wonder where the full back was. At Salford the late burst by Sio was countered by Darnell being where he should have been.

Then to concede again off the back of a 40/20 within 2 minutes you could see the petrol pouring out of the tank.

It’s not the time to over criticise individuals but in that first 35 minutes once again our inability to turn pressure into points bit us up the back side.

35 minutes on top 10 pts 45 minutes on top 42pts.

It was noticeable down our left edge that as Sezer at times broke across the line, we seemed to lack the pace or failed to run the lines to go with him something that Wigan did really well to our cost.

With all due respect I expect to lose at Saints but at the start of the season I’d have taken 4/10 and we will likely go into the Cup with 6/10 so no panic just yet.....

the full back was in the defensive line because we were down to 12 men.....

I guess that's the point though - DM should not have been in the defensive line.

He should have held his normal FB position and the kick-off should have been into the corner.

It doesn't need 12 men to defend across the pitch from a KO.

First play the ball from the kick off the FB should have stayed back they went short side had the FB been in that side of the field he would have been able to get the winger when he slowed to pick up the ball or at least pressured the winger.

As the other ‘poster’ said there was no need for the full back to be in the defensive line with a minute or so to go to half time as the off the cuff kick play was the one we had to cover the alternate was a couple of passes and drive... Wigan would not have thrown a silly pass at that stage under their posts the chip over was almost a play to nothing.. brilliant for them as it came off but no risk if it didn’t

So would it be true to say that in your opinion your just a one man team, and will struggle without Sezer?

We would absolutely struggle without Sezer, We did struggle without him, and we need another hooker Simon.

Wigan were so much faster than us it was a bit embarrassing but they will beat most teams playing like they did, We managed to keep some of their danger men quiet for the most part but being honest we were completely shot by 60 minutes, still onward and upwards, bring on the Saints.

That last try of the first half was a planned move. After Hardacker had converted the previous try I saw him talking to the ref on his way back to half way. It was obvious he was asking how much time was left because the ref pointed to the game clock 2/3 times, there were 31 seconds left. Hardacker then had a quick glance at the winger and the rest as they say is history, this time it came off on any other day it might not have. With 13 men in the defensive line and 16-10 up the automatic choice is to drive it in for a couple and take the hooter. The winger had nothing to lose and good luck to him it came off this time. Doesn't excuse or explain what happened to the capitulation in the second half, every time Wigan had the ball I really 5hought they were going to score. Lots to be learned from this disaster.

Sezer cleared to play. Matagi has a one game ban.

We can analyse and dissect the game the rest of the week but it won't change anything
Bottom line their attack and defence were played at a pace much faster than ours and we just couldn't match it!
No amount of coaching or tactics can make a player "run faster" Sadly the sooner some fans accept that and stop taking cheap shots cos we lost to a better team on the day and we do the best with what we've got the better IMO
Personally was looking forward to a good close tussle but it wasn't to be! Just a bad day at the office - end of!
The true test of the teams resolve and backbone will be revealed Friday - but they'll still not be 100metre Olympians whatever happens! No substitute for natural pace!

From what I have seen of Wigan this season so far it has been their best performance and not many sides would have beaten them on Sunday.

No, its not disrespect. Players lose their legs as they get older, it happens in most sports.

Jerry once upon a time was quick and his speed coupled with his power meant he burst tackles for fun, similar to Naulogo of Hull in recent times. Since the World Cup hes lost quite abit of pace and its very noticeable and hence why he doesnt bust tackles like he used to. Jordan Turner used to have pace but since hes bulked up more over the last couple of years he too has lost pace. Both Jerry and Turner struggle with players with pace - our right side is the weakest edge (defensively) by far if you look at all 4 games this far.

Completely agree, and i also agree with what Crackerjack said, they were different league to us as far as pace goes. Down the left ( our right ) they looked capable of scoring every play on that side but then that has seemed to be our weakest defensive area for quite some time.
Early days yet, we will improve from that, I think there are only possibly 4 sides that can play at that level and they can't do it every week, Like crackers says we won't learn to run any faster so we have to learn to think faster.
I expect Saints to beat us as well being realistic but we have every chance to show we are not going to crumble, We have a much better squad than last season and i'm hopeful we shall do ok. after the last few seasons staying out of the relegation zone will be a big step forward, so onward and upwards, We don't play Wigan every week.

Got to say I'm pleasantly surprised by the numbers on here praising Wigan rather than the usual responses you see from most fans. Shows real class. Good luck for the rest of the season (and especially next week! )