Sameold, same old.

People moaning because we finish in the top 3 for the 3rd year running.

People mention other clubs who are bringing through younger players - yet fail to mention ours.

people mention other clubs' quality signings - yet fail to mention ours.

Our players are mentioned because they are getting older - yet fail to mention that every other club has at least 75% of their players getting older.

Yes, it would heve been good to win a trophy, but there are 9 Super League clubs who would love to be where we are. There are 2 bitterly disappointed Championship clubs who would love to be in our shoes. There are ...

I also am bitterly disappointed that we didn't win anything. But to be constantly moaning and spouting negatives, well!

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Spot on Ivor.

So apart from the loyal supporters and the singers,

The others to watch out for are the ones who accuse anyone of being challenging of the current team, club, mangement, etc
as being

Moaners.

If this had been 16 th century England . They would be running around with pitchforks and torches burning moaners and ducking them in ponds until we confess our sins.

Yet they never answer the really pertinent points that some of us raise.

Are we getting better a or are we standing still whilst others around us fluctuate.

Are the crowds improving despite our relative success.

Is the future of the club looking secure.

Who awards contract extensions to players who are not good enough.

What are we doing to move deadwood along.

Name me ONE Youngster who is ready to step up to first team action regularly next season. Simpson and Leeming are not ready.
Connor needs to learn how to move laterally and defend properly.

None of the forwards are ready except for the odd game here and there.

So there we have it None of our youngsters are ready. Maybe in 12, 18 24 months but not now.

What is being done to make it better.

Hinccliffe i rate, He could be a new Brad Drew. Rapira i rate as long as he stays out of the sick bay ala faalogo.

Do i think this will take us on to the next level.

NO.

Am i moaning yes.

In the last few years i have had meetings with Ken, Thewlis and the guy who looks like a walrus.

I said nothing i have not said on here.

If pointing out shortcomings is moaning.

I AM A MOANER

welcome to reality and apologies if i'm not stamping my feet and sulking like a good glory hunter that i should be.
i have no problem with anyone criticising the players or the club, i do it myself if i think it needs to said, i don't accept scapegoating players or finding fault with individuals which seems to be the done thing. the club deserve criticism from time to time, it also deserves praise, i have no problem with that.
but to criticise just about everything just because the club have failed to win silverware is pretty crass too.
yes, we have failed to win a trophy again for the 52nd year in a row but the positive is, we have built the club up from virtually nothing to become challengers, we are finally in a position to be challenging, unlike most of the other clubs who just scrap around mid table, despite being wealthier than we are, having bigger crowds than us and being established in the top flight a lot longer than we have.
without the "loyal supporters" there wouldn't be a fan base to build on, there wouldn't be a club for the bandwagoners to join,there is always a place for new fans but you must never forget the loyal fans who have stuck with it.

spot on!
it just seems no matter what we do some people only see winning silverware as the be all and end all of everything. i guess we are the wrong club for them?

Durham i think you are spot on. many on here keep saying lack of cash for signings then forget the club brought the old police ground last year.giving has beens new contracts means less money for new blood.

I don't know you Ivor and I don't know how long you have watched Huddersfield for , Myself I watched them many times from the early sixties up to about 1990 when I started to watch them on a regular basis. Now I have never seen a class side playing for Fartown, Yes iv'e seen one or two class players from time to time surrounded by many mediocre ones, I was at Wembley in 1962 and at Odsal the week after ( I used to go to all finals when I was a kid ) whoever was playing, and I'm here to tell you that Fartown deserved to win at Odsal despite Wakefield being a far far better side. It happens occasionally and I suspect half the people on this board are dreaming of something like that happening again,

So unless you watched them in the Fifties ( which is quite possible you haven't seen a class side play for Fartown either, I grant you that the side now are as good as we have had and infinitely better than the absolute dross that was served up for so many years, But does that mean we have to accept we can't get better , can't get up with the serial winners.
Does it make us moaners because we want someone on the non playing side to do something other than just keep dipping their bread in the gravy, Rather than the dreamers on here who live in hope that something miraculous will suddenly happen one day and mediocre players ( for one reason or another ) will become great and we shall have the start of our days in the Sun.

It can't possibly have escaped your notice that our crowds are going down, 2,000 down on a couple of years ago, not sure if we didn't get up to over 8,000 at one point, I wonder why when we have been finishing top 4 and actually 1st.
Could it be the stay away fans are fed up with the utter dross that gets printed in the Examiner, telling us all about how we can be better next year for our experience this year, bla bla bla, heard it so many time I could recite it in my sleep, Or maybe they can't be bothered to watch the tripe that is played for 75% of our games, LIKE THIS SEASON .

Whatever the reasons they are not coming, and it seems to me just about everything has been tried other than paying them to turn up, We could of course get some quality players where they are needed, players who can take us up a level, and know how to create good Football, Our season doesn't have to be just about having the best defence.
Still on second thoughts why spend a lot of money on a couple of good players when we can have half a team who can do a job, or won't let us down, for the same money.

So there are the Moaners who want us to get serious from the top man to the lowest cleaners, The ones who think we don't have to be perpetually the nearly team.

There are also the Dreamers who think we are doing ok, the wait and see what happens brigade, who seem to be happy to accept the Jam tomorrow spiel that comes endlessly via the Examiner in the hope that it will be our turn some day.

One thing you are forgetting DG is that the majority of our academy have a quality in abundance, that is confidence.No one will achieve anything in RL without a great belief in oneself.I believe this is the one thing that we as a club fall behind the Wigans,Saints and Leeds,these clubs will play 2,3 or 4 players maybe more if required.To quote Alex Murphy 'If they are good enough they are big enough'.Think back a few years when we played a majority of academy players against a Saints side and almost pulled off an unlikely victory.You ask to name any player in the academy who is good enough I say any one of them.

Is this the same man who was saying he would rather win than be entertained.

Why has a thread about Kyle wood descended into a moan fest?????

Big problem regarding playing young players Bilko, We are stuck with old players on contracts so Anderson must play them. How will we find out if they are ever going to be good enough? Sign more overseas players!!!!!!,

That is exactly the point thats getting used wrongly in some respects Martin
Many on here have had me down as a moaner for quoting facts for years so one more season will be like water off a ducks back !

Without being disrespectful some of the current regulars are (relative) newcomers so the improvement theyve witnessed is from a "standing start " that even then wasnt the depths " you" and "our kid" witnessed prior to the almost disappearance of the club PRIOR to when Ken rode into the frame. You and many dont want knighthoods for "hanging on in" from way back and that includes Ivor, Cag, et al who I have great respect for . Many including the senior Giants have witnessed a real roller coaster going back as you say to the 50 odd years since we had a trophy. Up at the top competing for the double -down to the depths of more on the field than on the terraces But yeah - thats history / the game has changed / the structure of the game has changed

But many whove been once again classed as moaners are not that at all
Those who have stayed the pace are in the loyal fans grouping you say we shouldnt forget
Its just that as supporters we all FEEL this loyalty to the club in different ways and the so called moaning stems I believe from the lomg term frustration that some feel

Lets be fair some posters who have contributed to the seasons review have been on the scene a fair while and will show their beliefs and faith in different ways.
The thing that bothers me (and I think some of them) is this

Numbers HAVE dropped even during this consolidation period you mention despite winning the LLS that would in football be lauded to the heights
.......despite Kens cost cutting / price freeze initiatives

In 58- 66 period approx 30odd of us went together to away games on a Hanson bus

I know 3 who still do --- and yes they moan !
But dammit theyre still HERE

Its a Yorks thing I believe that we are poor losers me included
But Im not for "its the taking part "
Sod that -if you take part in a game/contest go and damn well try and win
At the moment we`re not - at least a cup!

yes to me the LLS took more than 1 off games to win and rightly should be applauded but it was achieved on a gradual basis - not at a one off show piece occasion that hangers on would attend (and they did Twickenham and Wembley ) but THEY DIDN`t stay because we didnt win
That sadly is what we`re up against IMO, and is why when such as DG / and other long stay so called moaners start getting doubts, it gets me a little worried about future attendances increasing without the so called silverware that others seem happy to dismiss as irrelevant through rose coloured specs
Without these attendance figure increases - its gonna be a long hard slog in my view whatever happens on the field

Pop down to Turnbridge for the Grand Final and we can introduce ourselves.

I'm going to a grand final do Ivor, Maybe another time mate.