Murphy played at FB quite a bit for Wakey. In contrast to Eden he is very safe and has good positional sense but not possess the same attacking flair as Eden IMO. In the few televised games of yours I have seen over the last few months Grix looked good at FB - has his form dipped recently?

I think the downward spiral is because of the coach going and wonder if Scott Moore on the again?

But the coach was going iduring the first half of the season when we were top of SL.

why pick on edan if kb would a passed inside edan would have been under post but know cut out pass 3 miles forward as normal . the problem as been the same all year small pack getting hammed time for brown to go .

Interesting to see the report that Nathan Brown had made his first signing for St.Helens (MANU).
He should be concentrating on us, we are still his paymasters.
I am sure he should resign now after seeing that.

Baloo does most of the coaching and both pick the team, so will things be.better or.stay riughly the same. Personaly as well as mason & gilmour going id follow.that with cudjoe, falongo, lunt, tonks & odonnell (doesnt play enough). Bring in quality that are fit and play big mins.

Really?? THOSE are the players you'd let go? I hope Baloo doesn't feel the same!

yes to grix, been playing in the halves, and dropped for the last game...mainly due to his defending.

let cudjoe go??

Crazy the players have not turned useless overnight and knee jerk reactions such as getting rid of Cudjoe make you wonder what goes on in some people's heads.

It is truly baffling

Sort out our defensive patterns, get some props on the park and we will win games

i must be missing something if eden is the problem at the moment, for me fergie, gilly and chan were woeful on monday, that appears to be the main problem lack of size in the pack, for me crabtree and doof were our best forwards, doof tired true and to be honest thought moore had a decent game, dont think he is the problem either.

Agreed a few weeks ago Eden was being touted as the new Sam Tomkins and everyone was desperate for him to sign a contract to stop someone else going for him and now he is public ememy number one for some (and probably a few who were bigging him up then), I think he needs to be stuck with to get his confidence back and hopefully he will be back in form by the time we face Wire. With Cas the week before if he has a good game there he will be full of it for the big one. Some would say he should be dropped but I think he has shown enough early season to prove he is quality and we want that to return for the first team and give him the time and I feel his form will return.

The backs have lost form as a unit but as you say it is probably more down to the forward platform than them all turning into poor players over night.