No- we were 4 points behind, and going for (not necessarily getting esp given brought recent kicking) two points would still have us needing a try to put us in front. What I do understand is If the tables were turned Leeds or indeed any other team wouldn't have gone for two points in that situation.

Some pretty strong opinions being posted ! makes the board interesting though. Everybody has their opinions so no need for anyone to fall out. I don't think i recall Murphy getting a pass last night, he normally has to go inside and run the ball up to get a hold of it, so how he gets called passed it is a bit baffling, He is not playing at his best maybe, but who is.

Last night we were outplayed by a very mediocre team, Leeds were the better of two poor sides simply because they ran harder ,tackled harder and were smarter, I think really despite a few good players dotted about here and there , we are what i would call a soft side, most teams handle us quite easily.
For me we are basically the same side as last year with a lot of different players and a different coach " if that makes sense " We got rid of a lot of average players because they were not going to take us forward and we replaced them with another lot of other average players, who are not going to take us forward. Generally speaking players don't get better in the championship, young ones who are just starting have the chance to improve , some of ours are on the way down.

The only thing we are left with for hope is the new coach, can he instill anything into them ? So far the improvement has been less than overwhelming , What makes me laugh is people targeting this game or that game, where we can get two points, and can't wait to get Mamo in to work miracles with his pace, If he gets stuck on the wing, i hope he gets more passes than Murphy or Broughton or he will find it difficult.

People forcasting where we will finish the season and who we can beat when we can't even play a decent game of basic Rugby, I'm not sure we even completed one sett in the second half last night, and Leeds weren't much better. Bottom line for me is we have enough to avoid the MPG and not a lot more unless RS can do something special, which there is little sign of yet, but to be fair you can't make silk purses out of a Sows ear.

Too far off what, Being able to complete a set.

watching the giants is becoming quite frustrating and depressing to watch at the same time, we dont seem to have improved from last season.

how the hell they expect to win with a 40% completion rate in the 2nd half i will never know, leeming is becoming a penalty machine and macintosh i dont think will ever have a worser game than that.

our left hand side needs sorting out asap, identical tries being scored far too easy down that side, happened against leigh, wigan and now leeds needs changing, sam wood in for mellor or even murphy at centre and ormsby on the wing...cant carry on how it is.

the only mitigating factors i can find are that we have had injuries so not had a settled team and that mamo and symonds are to return which have to make a difference otherwise we are destined for middle 8's again.

gaskell was the only highlight lastnight, makes a change to see a half back take on the line like he does.

good to see im not the only one who thinks our left side is poor and leaking points for fun

and that murphy ormsby combination is a good shout.

Just a few usual and typical points

Line speed. Two steps forward and brace for impact. We are allowing players to crash onto us or allowing time for the pass. Meet them and hit hard. an aggressive line defence galvanises the fans also.

Fighting to play the ball. Tackled down and found you front, enthusiasm get up and get that ball played. Speed it up and give the opposition less time to get set or they try slow it down and pens come your way.

Speed of distribution from the play the ball. Needs to be a rocket. Cruise made some decent runs from there and some fast plays but at times the Leeds defence was nearly on us before it left hands.

Working the overlap, or at least seeing it. A fair few times the Space and numbers were on our side but we couldn't suck in defenders or move it quick enough to capitalise

Winger release. Murphy and Jerry are there....use them.

My main two are the line speed and fighting to play the ball which has been an issue for m for a long while just frustrating!

Ironically, most of those things were what got us a point the week before.

or lost us a point more like!

Depends which way you look at it but yeah in the context of the game i guess it was.

Granted but we don't do it consistently! My biggest frustration is the line speed' fans reaction when they get up in the oppositions faces and charge hard is vocal and defo gets us up for the game but we just don't seem to do it

Granted but we don't do it consistently! My biggest frustration is the line speed' fans reaction when they get up in the oppositions faces and charge hard is vocal and defo gets us up for the game but we just don't seem to do it

I think you are right about completing sets, not sure if we did complete any in the second half, certainly not from when Danny got sin binned, just basic errors and bad decisions.

That's a natural lack of agression, Can you imadgine SW at wigan standing for that.

No definitely not. We need our lads to find it though. We are not being dominated as the strength ect is there just need that niggle and passion to dominate the opposition! Symonds seemed to find that before he got injured!

40% completion rate 2nd half, not even amatuer standard!