Great post Daz.
You've explained that very well.
Hopefully the supporters will get behind the club and embrace what Rick Stone is trying to do.

Sorry , that was not meant as a criticism, My point was that there has been endless years of settling for survival and less.
It is not only the club and players that need to lift their sights , "after our close brush with possible oblivion".
We have to shake off this attitude of ,We are punching above our weight.

You say Top 8 would be a vast improvement on this season, That's obviously very true, Finishing 11th would be an improvement, A place in the Grand final would be even vaster. We start with a clean sheet and spend the same as the rest , Let's get rid of this " we know our place attitude ".

I totally agree.

My view is that Top 8 is the minimum requirement for the season.

Top 4 is where we should expect to be. Winning the whole damn thing should be the aim and something that is achieved at least every five or so years.

And I'll state again, that the real problems at the club are off the field. The executive team that has failed to grow the club significantly in a decade needs replacing. This isn't the fault of the players or the coaches.

Couldn't agree more, but you know as well as me that saying stuff like this just brings out the spin doctors, and the one's who claim you are not a true fan for having such thoughts. It does IMO opinion account for the " we can't expect attitude ".

The most baffling thing to me is, why is it allowed to go on.

the clubs target will be win the cup and win the grand final ofcourse.

fans can be abit more realistic after the season we have just had, hope we can get back on track, top 8 would be a start!! top 4 would be brilliant

im behind stone and hope others are too

As I said
Aim for the top as always
I'll be happy with 8th after this season
I want us to win everything


Also good post Daz re HGSA

I keep meaning to join!

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My view is this - if you don't want what you say 'getting out'; don't say it. If you believe that you can say it in a small forum like an HGSA meeting and it won't get out, you are tacitly admitting that you're a small club. If you were a big club with all eyes on you, you wouldn't risk saying anything in any public forum that you didn't want to become public knowledge. I'm not too fussed either way to be honest, my expectations of the club have dipped and I don't see any sigbificBt change happening until, like Steve says, changes are made at C level.

Without wanting to abuse or insult people again, can i ask, to those who say the problems lie off the field rather than on them, in your opinions what exactly is the problem, i've yet to see anyone actually give a reason other than certain people aren't doing their jobs properly.
I am intrigued as to what people think is the main off field problem, without resorting to slagging certain people off please, i don't care about people's personal opinion on the Chairman, CEO, directors etc just what you think the problem is.

As for the HGSA, then it is open to anyone,not a select few, there are no secret meetings taking place, no conspiracy going on, just decent people giving their opinions on things and answering questions from supporters as honestly and diplomatically as they can, given their roles within the club.

What better reason is there than 'someone is not doing their job properly'?

And I beg to differ; a meeting where people are asked not to discuss certain items outside the meeting is by definition a secret meeting!

No it isn't Baron Greenback

At all

It's not secret! anyone can come and hear what the guys have to say, it's just understandable that they don't want everything out there in the public domain as some of it is, personal and off the record stuff, nothing secretive at all.