well if we dont won the y little ones that count for nothing then we wont be in the play offs or super league for that matter.

no need to tell us that we fail when it comes to the big play off and cup games, we know!

think some fans need to lower their expectations, we are punching above our weight and do well to get where we are

we missed our best opportunity in 2013 when we wont the LLS to win the comp. Also the 2009 cup final where we were slight faves going into the game.

Agree Brearley - those 2 or 3 good years we needed to win something to keep the momentum going, we didn't but some fans still expect us to ....i dont expect but i would like it to happen, i'm also realistic to understand we don't have the same quality, money, facilities etc as the clubs who do win things, the fact that year after year we are up there with the likes of Saints, Wigan, Leeds etc is an achievement in itself, with the size of our crowds, our facilities etc we should be with the likes of Wakefield, Salford, Hull KR etc ( no disrespect to those clubs ) as they are similar in set up, crowds etc...fans of those clubs would love it if they were told they were gonna finish in the top 4 including a league leaders shield in 3 of the last 4 years.

At the end of the day we are still a relatively small club with a small fan base who have won 1 trophy in the SL era yet some fans want a Grand Final win every year otherwise we have failed. Nothing wrong with optimistic either but setting your expectations too high will only result in constant disappointment !!.

Being a Giants fan is not easy and never in my 20+ years watching has it ever been. Been through the barren SL years where getting beaten by similar scores was the norm. There was a time when that scoreline at Leeds would have been seen as OK. That was because we were not good enough and not down to a lack of motivation or effort.
Not so on Saturday i'm afraid - we were lacking in desire and effort from the get go. Not sure why but we were never going to win that game given the attitude we approached it with. A lot has been said already about the errors, tackles etc... Biggest pointer for me was the poor kick chase, or put better the total lack of any chase at all. Given that Broughy is as good a kicker as he is we failed to support our main weapon and metres were lost as a result.
Out of the cup at the first hurdle again - very poor with no excuses. Yes Leeds were very good but we were awful.
Still will be at Cas to support the team again and let's hope we can put that game behind us and get back some pride in ourselves.
Frustrated as hell with the cup game but being a Fartowner is never easy so onwards I guess.

Is it that we are punching above our weight or is that there are things not right at the club that should be fixed.

Is our recruitment right i am not convinced. We end up with robbo, wood and ellis. They are all similar players relatively average as half backs now.Why have we got three players who all play interchanably . Would we not be bettrr off losing two of them inand getting one quality half back to play with Brough ?

Do we bring enough young players through ?

Is the coaching right ?

Is the culture at the club one of winning or mediocrity ?

Are the decisions on contracts right Mason on £100k !!!

All of the above are important things that could be different.

I will leave it up to those who know more about what happens at the club to give a view on.

But IMHO they are all issues i am concerned about none of which are related to punching above our weight.

Having Wood (who I rate very highly) Ellis and Robbo is very healthy for our squad. If PA rotates right then it's one big positive.
Who needs a second class half back. We have enough class around the field to win something.

Our youth system isn't bad either.

All we lack is an experienced coach which will come on time and a team who lack experience in big games. It's hard for any team who hasn't won a trophy to win one however good the team. Once we snatch one we'll be confident for another.

I agree with Durham on this. The team isn't balanced. I wonder whether Thewlis' reported poor relationship with agents is limiting the range of players available? I suppose the fan base argument has some weight but IIRC almost every club in SL is paying the full cap.

And the whole Mason situation still rankles me - his reported salary and the club's behaviour re: the court case were examples of very poor decision making. IMO so poor that someone should have been relieved of their responsibilities.

I'll be honest. I don't think we have a team capable of winning a major trophy. We are too weak in key positions such as fb, hooker and SH. If we lost Danny Brough for say 3 months, we would be in a lot of trouble.

For a club our size we have punched above our weight for the past few years.

I don't expect us to be bringing Cameron Smith or billy slater in. I would just like people to be picked on form rather than reputation.

Charnley has had to wait weeks to get back in the Wigan team and only got the nod because the youngster keeping him out got injured.

We need to start trusting our youngsters, starting with giving Connor and Leeming more game time.

I've said it for a while, I think we need a new coach next year, just to freshen things up if nothing else.

Champion teams raise their game when it matters. Our recent problem is that we seem to lower our game when it matters.

We can beat anybody on our day but (and it's a huge but) at the moment we can't even compete consistently when it matters.

Until we learn to do that we'll be nowhere near the grand final never mind winning it.

It's very frustrating when you know how we CAN play and would be a shame if Robbo, Eorl, Ferres etc eventually retire without a Giants GF appearance.

I reckon they've 4 years max to sort it.

Maybe the plan this year is the GF and only the GF. If so they are sure making a good job of fooling everybody.

If people are happy to simply overachieve and finish in the top 4 and then get knocked out in the play offs then we may as well dump the claret and gold and play in bridesmaid dresses 'cos that's all we'll be.

spot on, good to see some fans realise this

yes we are punching above our weight.

can we afford to get anyone else other than give new contracts to robbo, grix and bring in ellis/wood? maybe we could if we got the average of 10k fans but we dont.

we are pumping money into the academy and have players representing England regularly now, a good sign as in previous years we have had the odd one. Recently out academy was given 'good' status from average/needs improving so in a few years we should see more youngsters come through, credit to ken davy for putting his cash into the academy which also went full time in the off season.

we would all like to be winning trophies, only a select few do, we are close...closer than most SL clubs at the moment who would love to be in our position.

After watching the Wakefield V Leigh game yesterday. I would love to hear what utter S**t Eorl Crabtree would come out with if he had to commentate on the Leeds V Turdersfield game.

Absolute gobe

Lol - I only caught the end of that game, what did he say to provoke that response?

what are you claiming he said that was incorrect?

We have needed a quality Halfback for quite a few years, I have this idea that lesser players are brought in at less money to fund big signings, who it's hoped will bring in big crowds. This has never worked IMO, going right back to the Garry Schofield days and since.

When Robinson was at his best we didn't have Brough, since we have had Brough we have never had a Good enough partner for him. I know attempts have been made to take some weight of him but IMO none of the available 3 are good enough.