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| Quote: GiantJake1988 "A worrying sign for me is Stone playing players who clearly are not fit when we have players who are fit.
Wakeman and Rapira are about 70% and you can see that, I could understand if a rapira was still an international but he is not anymore and far from it.
Expecting to see Mamo in the side half fit too in a couple of weeks.
Same team next week except I'd like to see Mason and Smith in for Rapira and Wakeman to try get them fit for the Hull game and I'd like to see Darnell on the wing for Murphy.
Wakefield have the quickest back line in SL apart from Grix with Caton-Brown and Johnstone as well as Reece Lyne and Jones-Bishop'"
Lot of wisdom here.
What the hell has happened to Rapira? When he looks at the video of that Jones try he'll be embarrassed. Missing a tackle is poor, but excusable. Missing two tackles on the same play? You don't see that often!
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| On last night I think Gaskell and Brierley should be switched around. Gaskell is better close to the line and Brierley seemed to take the wrong option a lot. Dont think this result will have a bearing on your season I still think if you win most games against the teams who will be further down you still have a big chance of the 8 if the rest of your pack can lift to the levels of your two starting props last night
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| Brough to SH, Gaskell to SO was my thought also. Brierley, meh so far for mine.
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| Is it just me or does Wakeman look like a different player than his "promo" video? In the footage he was considerably bigger & stronger than the rest of the players and was scattering them with some strong carries.
I'm not here to cause an issue its a genuine question.
I watched him last night with interest as you could quite possibly unearth a gem, however on that showing IMO he looked very poor.
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| My biggest disappointment was we looked lethargic and tired again after we looked sharp and fit against Widnes. In attack and defence we seemed to have one speed all night and never looked like stepping up, we ambled towards their defensive line in attack then stopped when we got there ( Seb and Ta'ai excluded) and jogged to meet them in defence allowing them to build up steam and make easy yards. This was one of the issues we had last year and i was hoping it was gone !
Ta'ai and Seb we're superb for us early doors and with a bit more guile and right pass selection we could have been well up but as usual bombed chances.
What i don't get is this automatic replacing certain players at certain times, those 2 we're clearly having a positive impact and tiring their guys out so why take them off when they've shown no signs of struggling ? makes no sense, leave them on until they aren't effective anymore not because the clock is showing a certain time, also would we be better served leaving one of them on the bench to start with as at least we have some grunt to bring on rather than losing both of them at the same time ?
Gaskell was very good again, as was Kruise - another one that should be kept on longer.
Brierley looked lost out there last night and didn't have any impact in offence at all, Brough was slightly better.
Fergy was a shadow of last week too and where he was hitting holes and running hard at Widnes, he was one of those guilty of ambling forward with no real purpose.
We know Salford are our bogey side but they simply put in more effort on the night and once again deserved their win over us.
Also, we should have expected it as once again the club does a big push, sells plenty of season tickets, gets a decent crowd (for a Thursday in winter on Sky), build's up hope and as usual the players on the pitch let us down - have we ever turned up for one of these types of games ? i can't recall us doing so.
Very frustrating leaving last night as we saw at Widnes that we can play, we can run, we can control a game but it's the inconsistency that always let's us down !!
Anyway onto the (ex)pussies.
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| Quote: GIANT DAZ "
Brierley looked lost out there last night and didn't have any impact in offence at all'"
He's never going to be the kind of half that runs a game or creates much. But he's a terrific support player.
He needs to follow Ikafahiho around the pitch and wait for the offload. There's a try a match in it for him.
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| Quote: Binosh "Is it just me or does Wakeman look like a different player than his "promo" video? In the footage he was considerably bigger & stronger than the rest of the players and was scattering them with some strong carries.
I'm not here to cause an issue its a genuine question.
I watched him last night with interest as you could quite possibly unearth a gem, however on that showing IMO he looked very poor.'"
Contrary to the general belief, it's quite a step up from the NSW Cup to Superleague. On top of that, he's moved country, to a new job, knows no one, and is playing in a UK winter for the first time.
Players like that are always a risk. Even if he ends up as a superstar it will take time.
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| Quote: Steve May "He's never going to be the kind of half that runs a game or creates much. But he's a terrific support player.
He needs to follow Ikafahiho around the pitch and wait for the offload. There's a try a match in it for him.'"
Totally agree with this, any one who is expecting Breirley to create things is going to be disappointed, What he is is a try scorer, he has bags of pace and he is almost always on hand behind a break, Very much like a young Maguire. Brough is our main play maker, If he is not good enough then start to look for a replacement now, not when it's too late.
Salford were making far more ground than we were, despite a couple of our forwards being the best on the field, and their line speed was twice as fast, Broughs bombs were going up from much too far out, they were just like passes to the fullback.
Lots of room for improvements all over the field, Lots of time to make them and some good signs as well, Leeming is going well, could do with acquiring a kicking game. Early days yet.
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| Quote: Steve May "He's never going to be the kind of half that runs a game or creates much. But he's a terrific support player.
He needs to follow Ikafahiho around the pitch and wait for the offload. There's a try a match in it for him.'"
Exactly what i said at the game, why hasn't the coaches told him to be on his shoulder ?
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| Quote: GiantJake1988 "Thought our forwards Taai and Ikahihifo were superb as soon as they leave the field we really struggle. Mason in next week?
Mellor runs strong and looks to graft
Didnt think Clough, Rapira or Wakeman offered much really
Gaskell links up well to create breaks.
Leeming was excellent 2nd half.
All tries we concede seem to be down Leroy and Jerrys side? 3 at Widnes and 3 today?
Our defence is utterly abysmal.
Senior players Brough and Hinchliffe like 14 year old kids when we have made a break - no composure throwing stupid passes.
Murphy really does get exposed with lack of pace when ball gets thrown out wide - massive get out of jail card for Johnson going into touch, absolute feeble attempt at tracking back.
We ALWAYS seem to concede the first points in any game whether by penalty or by try.
2 or else 3 times we were on the last tackle instead of kicking to try get another set we just handed the ball over - RIDICULOUS.
Everytime we have a chance to get our noses in front we make wrong decisions it really is worrying.
Going off that tonight we will be fighting for 8th spot.
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yes thought our props of the bench let us down lastnight, wakeman and clough poor
dont get why we played rapira at loose forward!
gaskell looks quality in attack for us joining the line, brierley not so good so far
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| that pen just before half time to salford was a killer as was the 40/20 just after half time from that those they gained 8 points
got to give the giants some credit for getting back in the game twice and almost pulling it off
early days still plenty of postives
salford we really good too, especially in defence and obrien had a cracker with a try and 7 from 7 kicks
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| Quote: Jo Jumbuck " Brough is our main play maker, If he is not good enough then start to look for a replacement now, not when it's too late.
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Just turned 34.
This probably ought to be his last season as a first pick, although I suspect he will soldier on to the bitter end like Briers did.
IMO the club needs to be putting 100% into finding his replacement and have him in place for the start of next season.
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| Quote: Steve May "Contrary to the general belief, it's quite a step up from the NSW Cup to Superleague. On top of that, he's moved country, to a new job, knows no one, and is playing in a UK winter for the first time.
Players like that are always a risk. Even if he ends up as a superstar it will take time.'"
Didn't he play with Ikahihifo for Illawara Cutters?
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| Quote: TBC "Didn't he play with Ikahihifo for Illawara Cutters?'"
Not sure. But even if you know one or two people it can still be hard to adjust to a new place.
The players are just people. And they come with all the same baggage and personal stuff that non-players do.
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| yeh will take wakeman a while to settle in, also not had a pre season, same goes for mamo
look at ikahihifo now after a full pre season with us! a beast
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