id back you up in that comment jools, last year he was fantastic , his running/passing game was 1 of the reasons we finished top . this year he seems uninterested , heads somewhere else , he looks unfit(kafuasi as well), overweight and seems to forgot how to tackle

Can we have him back then please .

Thought he was great against Saints

Jools Don't you know you're only allowed to point the finger at Scott Grix for poor performance

Seriously, though, I agree. I said recently he hasn't looked match fit since he returned and it was really exposed last night (mind you neither Grix or Kaufausi looked fit last night to name just two others). I think he was also playing to poor tactics last night - pass, pass, prop gets it with 3 Wigan players already in his face.

Last night exposed the bigger problems we've all been aware of all season and it's been clear for longer than that that as soon as teams play at a high tempo against us, we really struggle. While the score wouldn't have been embarassing I refuse to believe Danny's presence would have made much difference last night, either.

well,to say we rolled over and let them tickle our bellies is an understatement, we rolled over and let them stamp our guts out.
a truly, woeful,embarrassing,gutless,spineless performance and one that i am truly embarrassed about, not often i say that!
they bullied us all over the field, the took the mick out of ous all over the field and we held our hands up like a wimpy schoolkid and said "i don't wanna fight you",
we can question PA's selections but ultimately the 17 people wearing our shirts last night take all the blame, not one of them stood up to wigan, not one of them rolled their sleeves up and thought "i'm gonna give it a go", none of them, they gave up,surrendered as meekly as the french did in 1940!

sorry to say boys but you disgraced the people who did wear the claret and gold with pride last night!

we made 593 metres...593!
wigan made 1,551, 3 times more than we did!
that is a truly abysmal stat, the only thing more astonishing is that apparently we "only" had 30 missed tackles, i could have sworn it was a lot more? only crabtree and lawrence failed to complete a full 17 players who missed tackles, lunt and grix made 11 of those between them.

i also agree with jools, that lunt has been a shadow of former self the last few games, his distribution is poor,his running game non existant ( apart from the break for the try) and his tackling is woeful at the moment..

Phew, glad someone else could see it! The problem is without brough running the show we needed a good hooking show to give us something to work with, Connor was clearly very nervous- can't fault the lad 19 yrs old and biggest game of his career so far with a lot of expectation following last week. Connor needed help and he didn't get it. It could be that 80 mins last week took it out of lunt - but he's not been right since he came back from injury and a shadow of last year.

I'm not saying I would agree with this at all but based on what we have previously seen with selections this year, I can see Connor being dropped by Anderson for the Elimination game, assuming Brough is back. I think he'll go with Grix / Murphy at full back and then dependant on that Broughton / Murphy on the wing.

Interesting that Anderson said he'll tell the players the team on Sunday. I hope Mullally and Bailey come back in.

we wont win a thing until we sort out a decent full back, not had one since brett hodgson.

grix's organising of the defence lastnight was great...his biggest asset to us. good job he got a 2 yr contract with us because no other super league club would give him one, would end up playing for halifax in the championship.

just have a look at the other top teams full backs and you will see where we are lacking to challenge them when it comes to the crunch.

Lunt / connor / wardle also missed tackles, battered lastnight... big response needed next week.

There is no way Scott Grix should have played last night, he was clearly miles away from being fit enough to play. Not a comment on his ability but poor from the staff (not sure whether that was physio/Coach or combination).

Our starting props Kaufusi and Crabtree ran the ball up in a manner that would have Zak Hardaker questioning their sexuality.

Robbo was a disaster in defence letting Farrell easily run round him and then after that charging up and missing his man.

Lunt doesn't seem to do average he is either fantastic or poop. He was not fantastic last night.

All our players are capable of so much more, I think our selection and tactics were wrong but the biggest problem last night was that all teamwork fell apart. Was that down to lack of heart, lack of belief or frustration? I do not know, but it was not in any way acceptable, we must do better, we must win next week Ken davy deserves that.

where does ferres go in the big games? mr anonymous again.

Draw a line under it and move on to the next game. It's not over yet. We win next week and everything changes.

yep, think the players and coaching team thought the same lastnight.

leeds at home next week should be a belter.

then st helens use clubcall on us if we win then meet wigan in the final again

Think they drew a line under it and moved on with 60 minutes left last night......And yes Jools, i'm another one who has questioned Lunt's recent form, god knows what's happened to him !

Sadly, plenty of deference, just not much defence

He can't do anything without the ball, but was one of the few who always chased back.