this idea about sky saying they need larndon and crusaders, is it something sky have said or is it just a presumption?

wakey are going by the looks of it, and as they are near the bottom and just out of administration that gives super league the excuse they needed to get rid, but they are certainly no worse than crusaders who have very few fans, just out of admin, illegal players in the past few years and you can hardly call wrexham expansion into wales, its only 30 miles from widnes

Its bollox, its up ther with the RFL bailing out the Quins, surprisingly thats never happened neither



How far into wales does it have to be?

wales isnt that far fella, expansion into cardiff is ok( not that i agree with it), expansion into wrexham is not worth bothering as the crowds have proved

Sky did make it quite clear to the RFL that they wanted SL to have a wider geographical scope than it had. They did not mention Quins but you do not have to be a genius to work out that the 3 clubs which make up a geographical expansion are Crusaders, Quins and Catalans.

Catalans IMHO add a lot to SL, crusaers give us a foothold in Wales and Quins are the geographical expansion.

There is no reason why in the future that Quins will not be allowed to fail but it would surely occur in conjunction with the rise of the Skolars or another expansion team.

The crowds at Wrexham started off quite well. Things only went downhill when they lost all their players and they started having financial problems. There is huge potential in North Wales, unfortunately those who control the club do not seem to buy into it. It will be yet another wasted RL opportunity.

One season in wales proves what?

By your reasoning Charlie, id sack off every club with under a 1000 gate each week and most of these clubs are crap after 100 years of having a go, ourselves included in that.

2 of the 3 teams you mention werent even around at the inception of skys coverage

Feel free to link me where Quins had to be in at skys bequest

widnes didnt get in because wakey are going out. widnes got in because the rl says they are expanding super league. but if the likes of wakey and cas dont meet the criteria. im still sure halifax wont get in as they will keep it at 13 team super league

i arent saying that fella so stop putting words into my mouth lol... the rfl/ super league seem to pick and chose the expansion teams very lightly as gateshead did ok i believe , top 6? and gates of around 6000 but were swallowed up to save hull fc, where as crusaders seem to get help in their quest, even after employing illegal workers and going into admin

They've been there 1 season

Sky have renewed their contract on several occasions since SL started in 96. Therefore when they last renewed Quins were in and there was agreement about the French team.

There are no direct quotes about which teams should be in because if there where it would be very clear that Sky called the shots obviously that would be very unpalatable to the fans and the RFL etc.

There were however lots of cryptic comments from both sky and the RFL when contracts were being renewed about, " the benefits of a wider geographical spread", and the number of Sky RL supporters in the , " South East". This was clearly aimed at supporting the need for a southern / London team.

Indeed the franchising criteria of not being within 20 miles of an existing professional RL team clearly benefitted only 3 clubs which were the three i previously mentioned as NO team along the M62 corriudor would ever have gotten a point for meeting that criteria.

So thats a no then

Cheers Mick

So nothing direct and im going off cryptic clues

We got any links for these cryptic clues or am i taking your memory as a given?