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I am sure that someone will correct me if I am wrong but did not The Bradford Bulls go into administration and reform as a new club? Now if this is true and the present club are now about to make demands that were solely in the realm of the old Bulls club will they also be taking on the debts of £750,000 of the old club? After all this was the reason they went into administration so they would be able to start again debt free.I've no doubt it was legal but it was morally wrong.

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Quote: keefie "I've kept schtumm over this issue but feel the need to intercede in some small way,

Many so called Giants supporters appear to be enjoying seeing the club being dragged through the muck, and are taking sadistic pleasure in adding their twopenn'rth.

Then we have the trolls from Bradford and Wakey having a go, (that may stem from the grief we gave them over the last couple of seasons, which in both cases is far from finished.)

Finally can any SL Club say, with absolute honesty, that they have never made an approach to a target player that did not, in any way, infringe the restrictions imposed by the RFL.

Come on people get real, the management have been found out and are going to suffer the consequences, but this is our team, let's not make it any more difficult than it already is.

COYG.'"



I am sure no Giants fans are taking pleasure in it.

MY view is that i am pleased that an employee who was treated disgracefully by an employer has been vindicated. I would feel like this whether it was a bus driver, a school teacher or a rugby player. Employees need rights no matter who they are. I do not subscribe to the view of my club right or wrong. There are things to me that are more important and workers rights is one of them

But there are significant issues here which the club need to address. Ken Davy's statement was an embarrassment and in my mind raises concerns about whether he is out of touch with the day to day management of what is going on. If he is he needs to know that a lot of fans feel that this thing has been a PR disaster and a financial disaster for the club.

Who will Ken turn to to find out what has gone wrong and who was responsible. My guess is it would be Thewlis and Morgan who are his main Lieutenants yet thye are the people who seem to be to blame.

On the basis of the evidence (and i have successfully run 8 Unfair dismissal claims on behalf of friends and colleagues) the decision to defend this claim seems absolutely ludicrous. Whose decision was it to fight the case. Additionally employers often settle out of court to avoid damaging publicity.

The club must have known ( But did Ken?) that they had given misleading information to the RFL (LIED) and that this would come out in a hearing. Did Thewlis tell the legal advisors that this was an issue or was it kept on the QT?

The consequence of this is that the club have lost HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of pounds. anywhere between half and three quarters of a million pounds

Will Ken cover this himself or will it come from selling players and not recruiting others. If it is the second of those options the club and us fans will suffer. Did we lose LOD and EDEN to pay for it.

Has Ken being let down by his managers ?

Quote: keefie "Finally can any SL Club say, with absolute honesty, that they have never made an approach to a target player that did not, in any way, infringe the restrictions imposed by the RFL'"


as for this point i agree and i guess that most clubs do lots of other dodgy stuff BUT the point is you DO NOT GET CAUGHT.

Defending this claim was a guarantee that the club got caught out.

A huge mistake was made in sacking Mason the way it happened, that is bad enough but to compound it with all the other mistakes was incompetence of the highest order.

I do not expect or feel that as fans we are entitled to know the inner workings of the club or management issues that is internal stuff for the club BUT i do feel that IMHO Ken deserves better than he has been served by some of his key staff at the current time.

and as for the trolls from other clubs being given ammunition that is not the fault of posters on here is is the fault of the incompetence of Giants officials to let this happen.

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If i was to marry, i dont know if i ought to, if i would, if i should , i'd marry a Prop's daughter, she'd go down, i'd go down, we'd all go down together, we'd be alright in the middle of the night going down together!!:icons42da_files/5417-2890lipst1ck_d0rk-msnicons.jpg



Quote: roger daly "I haven't read all the pages on this topic so forgive me if I'm wrong and no doubt you will tell me but why the hell has this about Griffin been put on this topic

I think what Hudds have done is very poor,obviously Kopzack has been told to lie,who by?

Is it Sir Ken,Thewlis,anyone else involved what you guys know about?

[sizeI really hope the bulls get a good few quid out of this[/size

Looks like big Kopzack will be a very very expensive signing

And to be honest I'm glad'"


Why would the Bulls get owt out of this? You might of forgot but the old Bulls club AND ALL ITS DEBTS DIED WITH THE OLD CLUB, why would a new club get anything?

Can't pick and choose unfortunately for you so trot on back and concentrate on making top 8 else things might decline even more for you guys.

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Quote: Durham Giant "I am sure no Giants fans are taking pleasure in it.

MY view is that i am pleased that an employee who was treated disgracefully by an employer been vindicated. I would feel likhase this whether it was a bus driver, a school teacher or a rugby player. Employees need rights no matter who they are. I do not subscribe to the view of my club right or wrong. There are things to me that are more important and workers rights is one of them

But there are significant issues here which the club need to address. Ken Davy's statement was an embarrassment and in my mind raises concerns about whether he is out of touch with the day to day management of what is going on. If he is he needs to know that a lot of fans feel that this thing has been a PR disaster and a financial disaster for the club.

Who will Ken turn to to find out what has gone wrong and who was responsible. My guess is it would be Thewlis and Morgan who are his main Lieutenants yet thye are the people who seem to be to blame.

On the basis of the evidence (and i have successfully run 8 Unfair dismissal claims on behalf of friends and colleagues) the decision to defend this claim seems absolutely ludicrous. Whose decision was it to fight the case. Additionally employers often settle out of court to avoid damaging publicity.

The club must have known ( But did Ken?) that they had given misleading information to the RFL (LIED) and that this would come out in a hearing. Did Thewlis tell the legal advisors that this was an issue or was it kept on the QT?

The consequence of this is that the club have lost HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of pounds. anywhere between half and three quarters of a million pounds

Will Ken cover this himself or will it come from selling players and not recruiting others. If it is the second of those options the club and us fans will suffer. Did we lose LOD and EDEN to pay for it.

Has Ken being let down by his managers ?

as for this point i agree and i guess that most clubs do lots of other dodgy stuff BUT the point is you DO NOT GET CAUGHT.

Defending this claim was a guarantee that the club got caught out.

A huge mistake was made in sacking Mason the way it happened, that is bad enough but to compound it with all the other mistakes was incompetence of the highest order.


I do not expect or feel that as fans we are entitled to know the inner workings of the club or management issues that is internal stuff for the club BUT i do feel that IMHO Ken deserves better than he has been served by some of his key staff at the current time.

and as for the trolls from other clubs being given ammunition that is not the fault of posters on here is is the fault of the incompetence of Giants officials to let this happen.'"


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Quote: keefie "I've kept schtumm over this issue but feel the need to intercede in some small way,

Many so called Giants supporters appear to be enjoying seeing the club being dragged through the muck, and are taking sadistic pleasure in adding their twopenn'rth.

Then we have the trolls from Bradford and Wakey having a go, (that may stem from the grief we gave them over the last couple of seasons, which in both cases is far from finished.)

Finally can any SL Club say, with absolute honesty, that they have never made an approach to a target player that did not, in any way, infringe the restrictions imposed by the RFL.

Come on people get real, the management have been found out and are going to suffer the consequences, but this is our team, let's not make it any more difficult than it already is.

COYG.'"



I don't think any giants fan is enjoying this! I think you'll find it's veryuch the opposite, and people are adding their twopenneth as a result.

Personally I feel let down by the club who are making statements about having good values but who appear to have at the very least lied, at worst used underhand tactics to get rid of a player they no longer wanted.

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Quote: FLYINGPROP "Why would the Bulls get owt out of this? You might of forgot but the old Bulls club AND ALL ITS DEBTS DIED WITH THE OLD CLUB, why would a new club get anything?

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well the new clubs already got 20k out of it so precedents already been set. Fully expect worst comeback hudds will get is a fine for lying/misleading RFL investigation which will go into RFL coffers. Bradford wont get anything over and above the 20k, unless they get a fringe benefit by being able to sign a player you have to release to stay under cap if payment to mason is deemed to count on cap.

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Quote: mat "

Bradford could take Hudds to court over tappin-up Kopout. Now that would be box-office.

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Who was kopzcak employed by on 8th August.....

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Quote: jools "Who was kopzcak employed by on 8th August.....'"



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Looks like the RFL have confirmed it does not have salary cap implications thank god but they are looking at re opening their enquiry into the kopczak signing.


Looks like Masongate might get messier !

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Problem is the club can't post on here, they put out a statement on our website, any Giants fans not happy then make a visit to the stadium and ask to speak to someone who will give the clubs side of things.

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Why can't the club post on here? And why should a fan have to go to the stadium to be told the club's side of the matter when it's all over and done with?

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Would imagine Giants fans visit the stadium every now and then.

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Bradford want more money for KOPCZAK

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... k/?ref=rss
Bradford want more money for KOPCZAK

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... k/?ref=rss


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