As far as I'm concerned and I know I'll get slated, we're a decent team but not a great team.

We have many "solid players" who don't do much wrong but can't win us games.

We're incredibly slow all across the field.

At the moment the weather suits us aswell with our style. In the summer, I think we will struggle massively against teams with pace outwide who can throw he ball out quickly like Saints, Wigan, Wakey.

It's hard for me to see us finishing any higher than 6th. We will make the 8 no problem but don't have a cat in hells chance of making the top 4 or play offs.

What's worrying for me going forward is the rugby we play is dire. We don't make breaks, have anyone with any pace outwide. Our plays are very telegraphed and obvious in attack.

Our effort it great but we do go to sleep quite often on the 6th tackle.

Regarding Mamo, great at getting in good positions attacking. Shocking defensively at present, 2 errors against Hull and Saints before half time, which changed the context of the game. Why on earth does he keep running forward at defenders then just stop completely still and get tackled? Drive forward and make some more metres!... because every time he's does it, whatever he's trying to do, doesn't work! He will hopefully get better though, hopefully sooner rather than later as we know he is a quality player.

Ferguson and Clough were our best players for me and have put in 1 hell of a shift again. I suppose they are playing for a new contract, as is Murphy.

Massive game against Wakey now and a must win really. While the weather is like it is I think we should be able to beat them.

For next week:

Smith out Bruno in.
Walne out. Wakeman in.

If Symonds is injured for longer, again, release on medical grounds and try bring an outside back/centre in with abit of speed to cover Leroy as Gaskell is not a centre. We're ok in the forwards for me.

Lots of positives for me some good individual performances we just struggle for impact up front. That performance would have beaten a lot of teams at home. As ever concerned only 5k Giants fans v Saints but it’s been like that for a long time.

I don't think that is the case myself. Our forwards front up fairly well we are just the slowest team at playing the ball. You saw how fast St Helens Helens at times turned it on, we simply could not cope with it and we aren't able to do that ourselves.

Think we would of beaten most teams last night such as Salford, Hull KR, Cats, Wakey Widnes, Possibly Cas but would of been then same outcome against most of the other teams like Leeds, Hull, Wigan.

Top teams half back combinations are so much better than ours. Brough can still play well but not the player he was and quite inconsistent now...but Rankin or Gaskell would not get in any other team in the top 6. I'm not saying they are bad players, because they are good, it's just other teams have far better players than them such as. Sneyd, Kelly, Richardson, Lomax, Fages, Moon, Williams etc etc

Our defence is fairly decent we just seem to concede a lot of tries on the last tackle.

We also cannot get on the score sheet first can we? We always concede in every game in the first 5-10 mins.

tough game, we matched saints for long periods, even looked the better team but just couldnt take our chances, attack not good enough ... but thats been the same for years now... brough has been our attack for years but cant break down defences... still its early days with our new half back combo so can still improve

roberts is not as effective as a starting second rower.. needs to impact off the bench but has to play from the off due to symonds not being available.

ferguson was great again lastnight, so was murphy

mamo was poor, needs some sun and more game time after such a long lay off... same for jerry ... can see the rust just not match fit.

taai and clough were great up front and matched saints

the ref i thought was abit harsh on us.. gave us knock ons then let saints get away with exactly the same! dont want him as a red again anytime soon.

that try just before half time and the two quick fire ones second half were the difference and saints being more clinical in their finishing.

roll on next week, not disheartened, loads off effort form the lads lastnight

On the positive side, go forward in the middle of park was very good, and our defence in the middle third was also excellent. Saints really struggled to make ground and their scores came from making ground due to penalties/mistakes. The effort was also there, Ferguson was surely our MOM, tough to put down every time he had a carry.

On the negative side, we were woefully incompetent with the ball in their 20. It was obvious we would lose the game when we had 6 sets of six on their line and couldn't score. The short ball from Brough to Ferguson was attempted at least 4 times, and they read it everytime. We had players knocking into each other, and getting in the way, scoring from kicks and mistakes saved us against Warrington but that was never going to happen against a good Saints defence.

Mamo is surely using up a lot of the positive credit he gained last season as he more or less single handedly lost us the game with a cold drop from the kick off costing us one try, and losing the contest in the air against a saints attacker costing us another. I would guess that we had around three times as much time in the opposition 20 as they had in ours and yet we score two less tries. That's unbelievably bad, and would leave any coach seriously questionning their sides abilities.

As one poster has already pointed out we have the worlds best winger, and make zero attempt to get him 1 on 1 with his opposite number. We should be spreading the ball to his wing as often as is possible, The conditions were fine for handling rugby last night, why did we not attempt this at all?!?

The ref was terrible but Huddersfield got just about everything. Walmsley try not given when it was clearly a try, turnover after Murphy puts the ball in touch, some strange knock on decisions and he gave far too many pens to both teams.

As a saints fan I thought you looked decent but lacked any cutting edge in attack (could be down to our defence). You’ll easily get top 8 but won’t have enough for top 4. We made a lot of stupid mistakes but bailed ourselves out with our defence and in the end our quality told and we looked very comfortable second half.

thought our hookers didnt really help in our attack lastnight too

leeming brain fart kicking on the second tackled?! o brien some poor passes

brough can not break defences, gone on for years

mamo isnt upto speed yet but still an asset that will come good in the summer

mcgillvary being put into space? well we know he needs a class centre like cudjoe for that but hes injured

like i said before though not too disheartened with the display overall

Saints only got a roll on after hinchcliffe went off doesn't half make us a better defensive unit. Hopefully wakeman returning will help have more punch of the bench cause imo Walne and smith was a waste of 2 subs

Wakeman is not the answer. We are a quality prop short and it really shows when we have the worst combinations on the pitch.

I agree with the prop comment-
Two new signings- both props- both Stones’ choices. Our best performing props are the ones he DIDNT sign. Lots said about how he had to work with players he didn’t want. Well he’s had a chance to go make changes now has he improved our squad?

think our forward matched saints

that wasnt our problem

scoring was, the hookers were the two poor performers

although smith went unnoticed in the game! walne was back from a calf injury but not best true

I’m not sure how you can blame the hookers!
Our players were losing the floor in the tackle and weren’t getting a quick ptb, your hookers can’t make things happen with a slow Ptb!

The problem is if you have half a dozen players not performing you will never beat a team like Saints.
Smith and Walne were non existent. Roberts was very poor and really needs to step up. Mamo, Ikahifho and Leeming are clearly nowhere near their best which is probably down to an injury hit pre season so you would hope to see some big improvements in the coming weeks.

true... smith and walne were poor.... walne off the back of an injury... could see wakeman come in for him but again hes coming off an injury and not played since world cup!! hard one

said for a long time ollie roberts is wasted as a starting second rower, all his best performances for me were coming off the bench as an impact player, just being asked to do too much in defence now and taking away his attack, but its not his fault.... symonds is supposed to be our starting second rower

agree with the other 3..should start to see them back to their best soon, early days

big 3 matches coming up all winnable

Roberts 6 missed tackles and only 41 metres made with ball in hand.
Walne only 3 carries Smith 5 and Ikahifho 6 really not doing much work. You have to suspect Ikahifho is nowhere near 100% fit yet.