I'm not saying we need a shed load of players, 2/3. The top teams may only make 1 or 2 signings because they already have those match winners or an academy that produces them. It's the quality of the signings not quantity. Huby is a good player but did we need another prop? I don't think we did unless we're letting one or two go.

I think we need a leader in the pack whether that would come from a top quality loose forward or a hooker and then someone to take the pressure off DB. Just a thought, who in our team has experience of being part of a successful team? (Lunts Grand Final win doesn't really count). We lack lack that experience.

I'm only saying all this because I want us to move forward and be successful. I've watched them for the last 20 years (I'm only 26) and I will still go to every game even if we sign god awful players. Can't blame me for wanting the club to be better.

P.s we do need a new managing director though!

According to league express your letting Kaufusi leave a year early to return to Australia?

I must admit to being stunned at the attitude of some 'supporters' on this forum.

Last season we were all happy to support the club and the team as we lifted our first silverware in over 80 years and came as close as we have ever done in the Super League era to a place in the Grand Final. We had 5 players in the Dream Team, Coach of the Year, Man of Steel and plenty of players representing us in the World Cup.

Only one year later, with nearly exactly the same players and the same Coach, some are choosing to turn their back on the players and club because of the struggles they have had. I think it was an awful season, I don't see any positives that can be taken from it. But this is exactly when a club and its team need their supporters the most - it's very easy to support a club when the times are good but the true test are times like this.

I may be wrong here but I think there was too much focus on coming good at the "right time" - end of season- to go for the farcical comp that seems to be the Holy grail. I want to see us going for every game as near to full steam as possible, go for the league and CC, and then deal with the end of season comp if or when we get there. I think if the team go with that outlook we might see games and performances we all want. The team is good enough on their day - just need to have plenty of days! I find it hard to understand how people can just walk away - it irritates me when I can't get to a game!

some good points, people really do seem to forget how far we have come in a short space of time, fighting way above our weight , we have been spoilt really with how we have now become a major force in the league season.. would be nice to go that extra step but sometimes we have to have a reality check

indeed they are, on catalans how many overseas players are they allowed?? seems to be more than the UK based teams which is unfair...supposed to be a french team but about 8 were french when they played us?

we have done the mason saga to death.

grix 2yr deal when we have connor and murphy waiting in the wings, well that could be questioned indeed that particular deal, like you say the money could have been spent more wisely

spot on!
but some fans are fickle and disappear as soon as the silverware disappears.

with the new structure in place next season, with only the top 4 qualifying for the play offs i don't think teams can afford to take it easy next year, hopefully every team will give 100 % in every game unlike the last few years.

I love how ambitious you guys are!! At the next supporters meeting why don't you just pat each other on the back for our past achievements... Come on, it sounds like your happy being 4/5th best team in the comp because we used to be a lot worse. Being the best team in the comp and winning the grand isn't unrealistic if we move forward with 2 good signings and good management

it isn't unrealistic but it hasn't happened yet so no point acting like we are the top dogs till it does.

But that's it, overall I think we are moving forward with the resources available. I think a mass overhaul would be counterproductive. Yes this season was a step back, but in the scheme of things no disaster. I think Anderson and the players will have learnt plenty and can take that into next season.

I think the urgency of the new league format will suit us. Mentally from the start there was something not quite on with us; hangover from a table topping campaign where our spine hardly missed a game and then went straight into World Cup - cudjoe, grix, ferres, brough, wardle, Koppy off the top of my head. This was a major thing for us and we just never got into a groove. Still, finished 3rd, edged out by saints in cc, good points total, bringing on some cracking youth and brought in some useful looking signings so far.

I'm not saying that Anderson is beyond criticism or that everything is rosy in the garden, but overall I'll take where we are at, as I genuinely believe we are on the right track.

it's not unrealistic though is it?
we are now considered one of the top 4/5 teams in super league, we are considered, by some to be genuine trophy winning contenders.
in the super league are, there have only really been 4/5 teams that have realistically been considered so, bradford, wigan,leeds,saints and warrington...these clubs are far bigger clubs with far bigger supporter base than us, so to be up there now is a great achievement in my eyes, but it has taken us 15 years to get to where we are, we have built slowly, and right now we aren't far off, but for a couple of poor performances in the last week of the season we could be going to old trafford on saturday.

that says to me ,that we don't need to overhaul the team/coaching staff we just need to be smarter in games that really matter.
yes we are on the right track but having fans desert us because we didn't win anything is not going to help us continue to strive for success.

Fans ain't deserting but if you read my previous posts the cost of home and away support is around a £1,000 possibly more so it's a big chunk of anyone's leisure spend and a lot of people go as a couple so it doubles this cost.

So anyone who waits to see what investment the club makes isn't disloyal just waiting to see what value they are going to get for what they spend the question being season ticket or pay on the day !!

Ok at the moment Huby is a good signing Ellis needs to kick on to be considered the same.

We have lost Chan and Faiumu two of our better players and Kafusi a decent signing on the face of it that just didn't quite work out. So at the moment lets say we are status quo but with at least two overseas spots.

On top of this certain players for example, Cudjoe, Brough, Grix at times, Lunt, Ferres didn't have the same big seasons they had the year before and in truth some of the turgid games particularly at home that we did win were poor fare so the regular supporter home and away got less good Rugby for their dollar.

So for anyone to consider for a spell before committing a large part of their leisure budget to the Giants is only common sense 99% will probably renew before the season ticket close date but ultimately despite being part of our fabric the Giants like all entertainers have to put forward the product to attract the customers being fans mean we are more easily persuaded.

If we are all honest last season was better than the dark old days but there was no progress from the year before and thus far the signings and plans for next season would suggest the same hopefully last year was a blip but people ending large amounts of their spare income have a right to consider their investment as does Ken and the club.

so the ones who havent renewed, if any new players are to come in, which im not sure they will, what position do you think a new player will come in?

cant be half back or hooker because those are already taken now for next season.

pretty much every other position is set too.

you will be having along wait.

if we signed sonny bill williams our average gate wouldnt improve much, we have the 4/5k fans that will be there for home games..depending what day its on ofcourse!

So are people saying that they will only come to support us if the season just gone has been an improvement on the last one ? If your a supporter isn't the idea to support not just come along when we're winning !.

I don't get that, if your a fan surely you would want to support the club all the time not just when we have a good season.
I'm disappointed with this season myself but i would never consider not going next year because we didn't improve from the previous year, has winning the LLS suddenly turned us into a bunch of glory hunters who are only interested in watching if we're playing well and winning ?
If so its a tragedy that after 1 good year followed by an average one after all the years of struggle we put up with people are prepared to not support anymore because we haven't improved !!!