missing griffin in the pack? think so.

Bruno is as big as most back rowers and bigger than many others. In the pack he is consistently one of our best defenders.

i said at the start grix is not a 6 and will never be one thats as simple as that. as for brown not being good enough for 6 and movedto 13 because of it, thats aload of rubbish. Nathan brown wanted an extra ball handler on the field as he thought it would give our attack a boost. brown and brough at 6 n 7 destroyed teams last season untill they both picked up injurys.

i never thought having brown at 13 would work n it probs hasnt, but we deffo need someone to help brough as much as he tries he cant do it by him self.

nathan brown has made some strange decisions recently like chan being in the centres against wigan, another point playing near enough a first team in cup games we didnt need to specially swinton which i may add LOD got injured. not point having a big squad if ur not gonna use it.

dont think its a panic thing yet but deffo needs sorting out

agree with this...

Why are you all panicing? We lost to catalan in france which most teams will.

We lost to wigan and when wigan are playing like they are they will beat anyone

Yes bad game at weekend losing to salford but its one game.

No need to press the panic button just yet. Brown at 13 worked at beginning of season but now we lose a few games it doesnt work.

Most sensible thing posted on here all week.

We haven't lost 3 matches because of players "playing out of position" because they aren't, they are playing in positions they have either trained to play in or have played in in the past.

Nor have we lost matches because we lack a "big mean prop" whatever one of those is.

Nor have we lost because NB has no plan B, a meaningless soundbite if I ever heard one.

We have lost them because earlier in the season the players were sticking to the game plan, getting to the right areas of the pitch and reacting positively to negativity. Recently too many of our players have dropped back into their old habits of looking for excuses to lose. The ref, other players, NB leaving etc. Passes are being forced or snatched at so they are going to ground. Players are trying to make the individual play too much which results in our shape being lost in defence. They only way to stop it is for the players to find their mojo again but shuffling them around isn't going to help, nor will randomly dropping players.

Only wire have managed to beat Catalan on their own soil. And Wigan are by far the best side in SL.
We have been undone by kr and Salford- both those teams beat us because they threw the ball about and offloaded at every opportunity-our defensive strategy is fixated on slowing the ptb and we weren't able to adapt.

Excellent post. Well said.

As Kev said in the Examiner, a good team doesn't become a bad one overnight.

Let's have our dip in form now, not at the season's end like us & Wire last year.

The trouble is, even when winning, the Giants haven't looked particularly convincing, so it's not a case of suddenly becoming bad, but more of a case of not being that good in the first place and certainly not improving.

Agreed, with a squad as good and deep as ours we should expect top 4 as a minimum.

Also does the extra pivot work when we play the top sides? Against lower sides - though not Salford - it is very pretty. Against top sides it appears ineffective. A strong forward at 13 and KB at 6 would improve us defencively provide greater go forward and still leave us with plenty of strike.

If we can cut Eden's errors to under 2 per game (and improve him on numbering up the defence) + Brown to 6 and O'Donnell at 13 and tweak our rh defence we can match and beat anyone, inc Wigan.

Very true cripes. You see-when you talk about the rugby-most people agree with you, stick to that!!!

I write about rugby. Many disagree. Try not to write about me.

How would you improve our Right side defence?

some are maybe panicking because we are seeing the same thing happening again, just like last season, started like a house on fire then fall away.... distractions happening again also, this time its our captain leaving...

and we have been badly exposed by wigan in certain areas and certain players being targeted for weaknesses, other coaches will be watching and exposing the weaknesses again in future games unless we can put a stop too it...or if nathan brown has a plan B

as looking through the season i wouldnt say we have played that well, been lucky in a few games one thing that had impressed me untill last 2 games was our defence thought that had gone back to as good as it was a few year ago.

i feel we can surely play alot better than what we have this season hopefully in the right games e.g warrington cup and play offs.

Speaking from a player point of vieiw i must say i have never read a bigger load of claptrap in all my life,deary deary me FFS.