If we are going to win anything a good standoff won't be good enough, Kev Brown is a good player but as I said even when we were winning he isn't a stand off and not in the same class as the likes of Rangi Chase, Benji Marshall ect

I agree. I've nothing against KB at all but he's not a naturally gifted 6 that a team needs to win trophies. Trying hard won't cut it. And many fans have had these reservations even when the team was going well. Fartown needs a trophy now or we will stagnate.

Also, if the club was happy with Kev at 6 then why spend all that time & effort trying to recruit Todd Carney? Because he's a recognised natural no. 6 that's why.

Could Brown work at 13?

no

Fair Enough then, where should we play him?

unless we get a better replacement then stand off, if we do then centre, for those who say he isnt a stand off and i was one of them and i was shouted down about it, he is never a loose forward and when the forwards have given him a platform to play he has played well at stand off, the way our forwards played in last half of season they didnt give the backs much chance to play

and before someone mentions simpon as a stand off again have a word with yourself, we wont become a better team by putting him in there for brown

You are quite right. Let us sell half of the team , recruit Benji Marshall and just go into the season with a squad of 17.

I mean all you need is one player and that is everything sorted

Firstly and most importantly Kev Brown is a good player and all I am saying is IMO he is playing out of position and doesn't look entirely comfortable with it himself, as far as I remember he is a centre?

Not sure where I said we should sign Benji Marshall although wouldn't turn him down but IMO standoff , scrum half and hooker are the main positions so I would have thought you would have the best possible players money will allow in these positions.

If that is Kevin Brown then so be it, we maybe need to start concentrating on
bringing better youngsters thru ala Saint Helens and the likes of Lomax, Gaskill ect and not letting them go without having a chance.

We have Brough at scrum half and Robbo at hooker but and I stress IMO we do not have a top class natural stand off.

Anyone who wouldn't have Chase at stand off over Brown? Rather than look at Murphy, Lee and Chan maybe we should be looking at Chase cos sure he would rather play top 8 play off footie

We have spent a hell of alot of money on second rowers and have too many at the club, maybe some of the funds should have been used more wisely.

when we had brett at fullback last year it was like having an extra 6 in attack . wigan wire are paying full cap like us the sign top class players we getting possible 2 playres from wakefield . its been said on boots and all we had the best sqad in supper league but not the best team need a smaller squd but with more class players

I agree too many players who have been sub standard when they eventually get picked. My biggest concern was that Hardaker ripped our defence apart Wardle and Horne were both at fault and from where I sat didnt even try!

Our defence went backwards before making a hit too much of the time and then were driven backwards. We need more commitment. As for KB I for one think he needs a little more time to mature as stand off Brough and Brown when on song are awesome.

horne and robbo were both shocking in tackling for those leeds tries... if only