OK, but how did the score get to 2-2 at halftime? Surely your side took 2 early on as well?

Both sides struggled to break each other down till about the 60th minute, very even match till then. You have a good team that deserved to win, no complaints from me.

could have been 6-2 but chose to run it twice-

It amazes me how many comments from supporters I hear at games and read on forums about offside.

The fact of the matter is a player is only deemed offside if he/she are judged to have interfered in play. If a winger is stood 1m in front of the referee at the PTB is the referee going to run 30m over to the wing to blow for the penalty. The answer is NO.

The communication the referee will recieve from the TJ will be something along the lines of "Jordan Turner offside right". If he become involved in play the referee will get an "involved" call. Then the referee will (or should) penalise the player.

The penalties referees blow for straight away are usually because the players stood directly in the line of play are offside. Hull, for example, had a very quick line speed early in the first half and you could hear them call "IN" when the ball had been played. This took its toll after 15mins as Radford and Lynch were not retreating the 10m and were stood either side of the referee. Hudds on the other hand employed similar tactics but had the luxury of 3 forwards on the bench which meant players were not as fatigued and made the 10m.

so are you saying that players dont have to be behind the ref (or back 10 metres) as long as they dont interfere at the next play?

thats what it reads like to me daz , i really am going to have to watch a game with my `gerrem onside` toned well down now.

Why penalise if there not affecting play?

Depends on how you define "effecting play" doesn't it

I always thought they had to stay 10 metres till the ball had been played ...at least thats how it used to be !

BTW i'm not disputing it, just wanted clarification of it thats all.....your the Ref at the end of the day, mind ya these days most of em seem to have forgot the rules

As someone once said "If they're not affecting play, what are they doing on the pitch?"

On Monday Child pinged Jordan Turner for offside at a scrum when the ball went to the opposite side to him. Although TBF Turner did start moving forward as Scott Grix was feeding the scrum so he couldn't have been much more offside if he tried.

Was just about to make the same comment about turner.

So, do you, or do you not, penalise persistent offside at the PTB if the player(s) are not* affecting play? And if you do, how many times would it need to occur before you blow up?

*Of course it can be argued that players not making the 10 are affecting play, as they are not making an effort to retreat the full distance and therefore tire less quickly as the game progresses.

Also, on the couple of occasions the Giants took a quick tap on the 20 there were very few Hull players onside, yet on neither occasion were they penalised.

Is it any wonder fans get frustrated at refereeing inconsistencies?

If persistant then yes, of course you do. Referees and TJ's speak to players during the game and usually this helps the referee police the 10m. For instance if Eorl Crabtree was offside the referee will say something along the lines of "Eorl you're offside". If Eorl becomes involved (i.e makes the tackle) he will be penalised. If he stays out of the tackle and retires to the 10m and then makes the tackle then its play on as he is classed as being onside when he makes the original 10m mark. If he stays out of the tackle but the referee has noted him as being offside most referees will talk to the play whilst on the run. So dialect may be "Eorl give me another yard on your 10m". This gives the player indication that he is being noted as not making the 10m. If he become persistant I would expect any referee to penalise him accordingly.

In terms of your comment regarding players affecting play and tiring I think theres more of an argument about players changing direction to avoid offside players than tiring. Players wont generally fatigue any quicker going 9m or 10m to be fair. Robbo may see a player in an offside position and decide to take play to avoid that player. There is an argument that this affects play rather than the offside player becoming involved (i.e. making a tackle)

Your point on the 20m restarts is interesting. Players often take a quick tap and run at a player who is offside. That player then makes the tackle once they hit the 30m line. A referee shouldn’t really penalise a defending player if the attacking player has deliberatly run into him. That’s why you don’t see markers being penalised when the dummy half deliberatly runs at them. If the attacking player deliberatley runs at the offside player, who then turns round and tackles the attacker, then yes a penalty should be given.

Interesting debate. It's a fine balance between applying the laws of the game fairly and allowing a game to flow.

The problem appears to be allowing referees that discretion of when to penalise and it being applied consistently during games and throughout the season. I don't think it has helped at the start of each season when there used to be a crackdown on certain infringements and then this was forgotten about after a few weeks. Thankfully, this seems to have stopped now. However, situations where referees have their own ideas about what they are going to be unduly harsh or lenient about should not arise - Ganson's performance in our play-off game vs Warrington being a particularly extreme case.

If they're not affecting play, why are they on the pitch?