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Quote: Giantscorpio "The club statement from Ken Davy was very good and laid out the standards that the club expects, and I applaud him for his stance.
The Judge in the case was very soft and too liberal, although I liked Mason, he let the club down.'"


The statement is all well and good, The problem is it will be easy for many to argue double standards. It appears from the court case that the giants approached kopzcak in August, Omar khan is now demanding this be reinvestigated by the RfL, in the past we have employed players who have used PEDs and our players have been involved in court cases for assault etc. so we cannot pretend to be squeaky clean.
The whole business has already cost us 20k will cost us at least another 167k maybe 200k in costs and if the bulls have their way could cost us a heck of a lot more. To afford this will we have to lose players and what does that bode for next season. Thewlis has made a right clock up of the whole thing. The firsts mistake was putting an average player on a 95k a year contract!

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Quote: jools "The statement is all well and good, The problem is it will be easy for many to argue double standards. It appears from the court case that the giants approached kopzcak in August, Omar khan is now demanding this be reinvestigated by the RfL, in the past we have employed players who have used PEDs and our players have been involved in court cases for assault etc. so we cannot pretend to be squeaky clean.
The whole business has already cost us 20k will cost us at least another 167k maybe 200k in costs and if the bulls have their way could cost us a heck of a lot more. To afford this will we have to lose players and what does that bode for next season. Thewlis has made a right clock up of the whole thing. The firsts mistake was putting an average player on a 95k a year contract!'"



Although Thewlis agreed the salary it was Nathan Brown who would have wanted it as he saw Mason as being the cornerstone of the pack. Loads of comments from NB about how good Mason was.


Something else that brings NBs coaching reputation into disrepute IMHO.

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www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... spotlight/

Thewlis and Kopczak effectively accused of dishonesty in an RFL investigation.
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... spotlight/

Thewlis and Kopczak effectively accused of dishonesty in an RFL investigation.


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Quote: M@islebugs "www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/10554871.Bradford_Bulls__Kopczak_transfer_back_in_the_spotlight/

Thewlis and Kopczak effectively accused of dishonesty in an RFL investigation.'"


This could form an interesting conversation between the RFL and the Giants. I wonder which version of the truth is correct.

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Whatever happens someone has been lied to. Including us fans. Personally I'm not a happy bunny.

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Quote: jools "Whatever happens someone has been lied to. Including us fans. Personally I'm not a happy bunny.'"


ESPECIALLY the fans. Business is business, stuff happens - but the relationship with fans should be above that. The fans and, I suspect, Ken have been let down by what could be seen as roguish behaviour.

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Quote: Durham Giant "According to the Zaminer [sizelegal fees could be £200,000[/size.

That could be a total of £367,000 in total!!!!!!'"


Well that just shows what an ass (rip off) our justice system is, once again the legal eagles get to line their own pockets.
Whoever is responsable for the decision to sack Mason for gross misconduct (laughable) without looking into the legality/implications of it all should do the honourable thing and tender their resignation. I fully support Mason's decision in taking the club to court, employers should know you can't just hire and fire people at the drop of a hat, correct disciplinary procedures whether you are a sportsman or work at Marks and Sparks have to be followed legally, if he'd had verbal, written and final warnings before for his conduct then all well and good but this would have come out in the hearing and as far as i know nothing was mentioned. It looks blatantly obvious the club were just looking for an excuse/half baked reason to get rid of him (replacement in already in pipeline) and didn't double check what constitutes a dismissal for "gross misconduct" and just chose to sack him regardless. The fallout from this is going to be very interesting, it all looks very amateur and"underhand" and as a result this self inflicted fiasco has cost, or is going to cost the club dearly.

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I'd be very worried now if I hadn't scored a try cause if just a pic off your bum gets you sacked i'd hate to think what could happen if you had to do the naked run in a public place that happens after every season.

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Quote: saint joe "I'd be very worried now if I hadn't scored a try cause if just a pic off your bum gets you sacked i'd hate to think what could happen if you had to do the naked run in a public place that happens after every season.'"

lets be fair, the picture was an extreme closeup of Scott Moore's ar$ehole. Not a 'bottom'.

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Quote: M@islebugs "www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/10554871.Bradford_Bulls__Kopczak_transfer_back_in_the_spotlight/

Thewlis and Kopczak effectively accused of dishonesty in an RFL investigation.'"


That is an interesting article


it appears that the costs so far are

Loss of earnings £167 k
Court costs £35k
Legal fees £200 K ?
total of £412 k


plus this bit is interesting

Quote: M@islebugs "Mr Justice Saffman said the sum of £167,000 reflected loss of Mason's actual and projected earnings.

He said the legal costs of £35,000 for the three-day hearing will also be passed on to the club.

Terms of the damage payment will be discussed at a further hearing, at a date yet to be set.'"


This could mean more money because it may take into account emotional affect on Masons well being, reputation, loss of testimonial money HALF A MILLION POUNDS
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Will Ken answer the question of whether Lying to an RFL inquiry should be regarded as sending a good image of being a family club ? should it be regarded as Gross misconduct ?


Will the club ban the naked run ?

Will the club ban Mad Monday ?

Is being hungover a disciplinary offence ?

Are all players now going to be told that drinking alcohol is banned ?

Will players look Fielden in the eye and think that he does not respect them because they have never won anything ?

Knowing the management are happy to stitch you up does that help create a happy working atmosphere ?

Does the above do anything for team spirit ?

What a complete and utter FOOK UP by the Giants

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Quote: Wadski "lets be fair, the picture was an extreme closeup of Scott Moore's ar$ehole. Not a 'bottom'.'"


To be fair any picture of Scott Moore could be described as a picture of an ar£ehole.

Just think though this would not have happened if NB had not decided Lunt was no good and should go to Leeds which left us needing to get another hooker in.

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They send a statement about been a family run club with morals yet they have tapped up a player who was still in contract and lied to the RFL
Totally hypocritical

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Quote: Durham Giant "To be fair any picture of Scott Moore could be described as a picture of an ar£ehole.

Just think though this would not have happened if NB had not decided Lunt was no good and should go to Leeds which left us needing to get another hooker in.


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You have spoken a lot of sense on this subject so far but blaming Nathan Brown lol
I say it was Scott Grix's fault

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Quote: the stella kid "You have spoken a lot of sense on this subject so far but blaming Nathan Brown lol
I say it was Scott Grix's fault'"


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yet another example in this country of employers thinking they can treat their staff any way they chose, i love the giants, but this shows yet again managements total disrespect of employees throughout this country, mason regardless wether he was a good enough standard of player or not, is in my opinion fully justified in taking this stance and rightly so has been proven correct. Head should roll at the management team at the giants but they wont as per usual as kens statement shows they will stick together and brazen it out.

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