www.giantsrl.com/news/article/53 ... -be-better Well all the usual's are rolled out, down on troops the boys were running on empty etc etc. Cas were the better side yes we all saw that !! Lack of organisation, lack of aggression, lack of leadership and a clueless coach would be more accurate !!

www.giantsrl.com/news/article/53 ... -be-better Well all the usual's are rolled out, down on troops the boys were running on empty etc etc. Cas were the better side yes we all saw that !! Lack of organisation, lack of aggression, lack of leadership and a clueless coach would be more accurate !!

And 27 tackles missed to cas's 4 missed.

All individual errors so nothing to worry about ?

Definitely think he has a point with the 5 day turnaround compared to our 8 day. Doesn't help 1 bit for a team who have suffered with injuries this year. An extra 2 days and brough may play?

re Fartown since 1961 post; Was our coach clueless when we won the Shield, oh and we were in the top 4 for three seasons or has he just become clueless this season? Just asking!

I keep pointing out that in the last time seasons we have finished under Anderson
1st
3rd
4th
11th ?

In no way shape or form are we getting better.

In no way shape or form are we standing still

WE ARE GETTING WORSE.


LOOK AT THE CORRELATION WITH AVERAGE ATTENDANCES.

When we won the shield he had inherited a squad and style of play from Nathan Brown having been his assistant that worked and he had barely tinkered with it until the start of this season.

He made major changes to the style of play and fitness team and methods at the start of this season which have failed unless you think 4 wins from 17 is success ??

So to answer your question in non throwaway manner - for three seasons he recognised we had a methodology that worked but but came up short of the 'big prize.'

He believed he had a new methodology that would win trophies and push us to the next level. He implemented it and it has failed as Head Coach he shoulders the responsibility for that failure as you are only as good as the season you are in or are we still going to be pointing to the Shield for the next ten years??

As in any business you have to achieve targets, goals and KPI's I would suggest he is failing or failed.

Unfortunately his blunt and forthright speaking manner works when you are always winning but doesn't look so good when you are always losing.

His team selection and rotation last night and at Widnes where he made one change in a brutal 40 minutes and left Brierley on the bench and Wood at stand off when he is a better back up hooker appeared 'clueless.' On that I won't soften my comment !!

So what would you say are feasible reasons for our reaching the lofty heights of nearly being there, and also for the dramatic collapse to our present position.

There has to be reasons for it, Myself I was never as carried away with the style of play we showed in our seasons of limited success, We seemed to me much as we always are , Some decent games, an odd super game here and there, and a lot of miserable stuff.

Still wins are all that matter to some, as they freely admit, but that is another story.

What would you say has gone wrong for PA to change things from a winning side to a losing one. I have no inside info like some people seem to have, but internal upset ( as it has been hinted ) could well be a major factor.

Most people start to trot out all the old stuff about injuries , bad Ref's, bad luck, even worse supporters, all the stuff that every other team suffers from just like we do, but there has to be more to it than that.

The exact same thing has happened at Leeds, and they have fallen from a far greater height than we have, Granted the players they lost all at once may have had a bigger effect that the two we lost, but I don't personally believe the loss of a couple of players should really drag a team from top to very bottom.

One of the most feasible reasons I have heard , is that Sinfield was far more important and influential on the team than B Mac, which would seem to contradict my thoughts, and it crossed my mind that if there is a rift between PA and D Brough ( as I have seen suggested ) that could account for some of it, I'm not saying there is a problem with them ( as I said, I have no inside info ) but there are one or two things happening that make you think there could be.

The strong rumors that Brough is set to leave ( that just wont go away ) the signing of Brierley for no apparent reason ( replacement for DB ? ) Probably just me putting 2+2 and getting 5.

My self I just think That PA is not good enough as a S league coach ( just my opinion ) I think when N Brown was here he improved some of our players to a massive extent before everything went Pear shaped , I think PA has lived on that to a big degree, A lot of our wins in these glory season were based far more on individual players performing really well than the team playing a style of game that was blowing teams away, Didn't we have 5/6 internationals then.

For me they all started to go backwards after PA took over, I wont list them all but Cudjo was a perfect example, he went badly backwards for quite some time, Happily he regained his form , starting in the games after the split last season and by and large has kept it going which has also had a very beneficial effect on McGilvrey's game.

Those are my thoughts by and large, I would be interested to hear what you think has gone so badly wrong .

missed our chance for silverware in those years i feel

the new league structure might make it harder for us to compete with the big spenders now though...

leeds are getting worse too

leeds may come in for grix to replace hardaker???

ferres and mullally done a great job for us

Does a coach make a team? Perhaps, perhaps not. Brian smith did less well at Wakey than at Bradford and less well than Chester- who was poor at KR.
McDermott has gone from triple winning to wooden spoon.
Radford has gone from zero to hero.
Tony Smith has gone from hero to zero to hero and repeat.....

We had mal Reilly, van de velde and John Kear- all considered good coaches- non could get wins at hudds....

All that has a ring of sense about it jools, But when do you make a move ? when we are in the championship, You can't just tow on with things that aren't working just because others have, or are failing at other clubs. Darrell Powel has not taken one backward step since he took over at Fev , who are only just coming round from losing him, And at Cas he has done a great job with a lesser squad than many have to work with. This just proves there are coaches that can do it.

I don't quite know why some people feel the need to defend PA whatever he does, when he leaves the Giants he will get another job, he wont be on the dole, nobody dislikes him, they just think he is not doing the job, and never getting out of the bottom two this season would tend to back that up. If the unthinkable happens and we get relegated , it will be two late.

When did T Smith go to Zero ?

When did TS go to zero? Just ask the Warrington fans - several times during his tenure they've called for his head.
TS took over from Daryl Powell - who had failed to win anything with a Leeds side who won silverware with TS in his first year and then kept winning, DP then went to union where his team was relegated.....

aye remember hull fc fans desperate to get rid of radford!