We were out-coached today.

Warrington were ready for us. We had no answer. We didn't get the rub of the green in the first half hour but Warrington looked like they wanted it more and they knew how to get it. Well done Warrington.

As a Wire fan, I thought you'd just edge it, but I said alot depended on the tactics.

On this occassion TS got it spot on - and that's at the core of why we won.

Having said that I still think Brown should be coach of the year for what he's done. Awesome.

I agree Warrington seemed to have a game plan aimed at disrupting the Giants from the start.

I hope that this acts as motivation for the play offs for you.

Tony Smith is a great coach, and we have a lot to thank him for. When he was at the Giants he turned our club around and set us on the right road.

I am pleased for him and Wire, they deserved the win yesterday.

I think wire must have sensed it was going to be their day when there 1st try and our 2 disallowed ones went in their favour early on.

i did say though that wire did to us what we did to Saints and that was obviously targetting our tactics and negating them well.

all down to the coach on the training grounds...not that i am blaming brown

I'd say that was spot on. I'd add to it that your guys didn't have the confidence to then adapt accordingly but I think that was probably partly due to the occasion and partly due to you losing Brown so early in the match, which was a real shame.

must agree i thought smiths tactics were spot on, but then again didnt think browns were that bad, it was as much down to individuals errors as tactics for me. would it have been 1-0 to brown if the 2 video trys had been given i wonder

By tactics, I know that I mean Smith played Wire wide, so making your defence run about. It's the way to undermine that gang tackling thing you've got going on. The last thing any team should be doing when playing Hudds is to go down the middle. Like Saints did (duh!). Smith obviously studied that semi-final and learned how NOT to play Hudds!

Think we helped with that a little bit. Half of the time when we did something with a little more flair, the ball ended up being dropped.

Actually it was McNamara at Bradford who outcoached us with their plays of playing the ball wide early and picking up on the fact we play with a compressed defence.

That was spotted by Paul Cullen who highlighted it on Boots nall after the Bulls game.

It was then followed up by Tony Smith who picked his team to play the same way. Check out the Warrington board on their team selection and it was picked up by the fact that their own fans recognised that is how they would play.

The defeat had very little to do with the coaches. How many tries were down to mistakes by officials did that not hvae an effect on the game.

poor kicking by Hodgson and Fulton who had kicks charged down did that not have an effect on the result.

Our awful kicking game ( how many went straight to touch), players going missing, a serious injury to Brown, all these things changed the game.

I would agree with your assertion that Smith out coached Brown if it was those tactics that won them the game. Unfortunately it was other things that contributed to the defeat.

A nice, long speech, but it remains crystal-clear that Smith out -coached Brown yesterday.

And theres no shame in that mate. Smith did wonders with Hudds and Leeds and now Warrington. He is a fine club coach.

any arguments or evidence to back that up.

And before some smart alec says the result that is neither of the above.

OK, so McNamara outcoached us. 4.73046875:5