Forgot about Cudjoe.

Stick him on the bench for Rush, with Rush being 18th man

Just looking at the squad as a whole :

I'd be saying goodbye to :

Russell
Goulding
Milner
Livett
Bibby (Both)

That still leaves the likes of :

Greenwood
Wallis
Salabio
Rush
Savelio

On our books, its impossible to keep all of the players we have happy.

“Teams like Hull Kr”. Take your rose tinted glasses off…

You are quite right. Your side is better than ours in virtually all departments thanks to Watsons incompetence, I'm sure there are probably a couple of forwards of ours like Wilson, Yates and possibly Swift on the wing you might prefer, but in other regards you would prefer your squad to ours right? I certainly would

Firstly can I say I'm sorry, you're quite right.

I'm just very angry & frustrated at our lack of going forward as a club and continuing to sign utter muppets.

So I take it back.

Got to agree with everything thats already been said. Im not disputing that yesterday HKR were by far the better team and fully deserved to win the game and the scoreline did flatter us as well, It was probably the worst display of refereeing I can remember seeing in 60 years of watching Rugby League, unfortunately it is now a regular occurrence for the refs to give these outrageous decisions and its making the game a very poor spectacle for those of us who have to watch week in week out.

I agree with most comments but is Watson solely to blame for the players signed i cant see a coach having so much power on signing players.You have a big squad but not one player would get into Wigan or Saints side.Salford have a small squad as Leigh do so it is easy for a coach to work with fewer players.Looked at your results last season to beat Catalan home and away even Wigan and Saints failed to do this.The Grand Final has only 4 different winners one Bradford other Leeds who are now in the same situation as yourselves.Wigan and Saints will dominate for years to come and possibly Catalan but not much hope there.

I agree with some of the comments. Russell clearly not good enough, saw Levi score for Canberra at the weekend, what a loss that has proved to be. Milner is a slow journeyman with a pretty slow pass. We needed speed in the spine but haven't recruited that, maybe the new young hooker should be given a go. Same old reaction from Watson. We still appear a slow side, miles behind the top teams.

Levi has been a huge loss, the 1 season we has him, we had speed at the ruck & teams couldn't cope.

Even as a supporter you can telepath what Milner & Goulding are going to do as we are so slow, now if we as supporters can see it, then I can guarantee the opposition can see it.

Best we can hope for is another CC run because the League & Playoffs are a million miles away.

I think Lolohea might be best at FB but I'd play him in the halves with Clune. Try Deakin? at 9, see what he can offer.

For once there seems to be a fair amount of unity in so far as considering the abilities, or perhaps more accurately shortcomings, of the players (and to some degree the coach).

Since our bubble burst in 2015 when Grix failed to deal with the kick through for Ryan Hall to score, we have had one cracking season (2022), the second half of which was even blighted by injuries and ended in a whimper.

What did we have two years ago? An out and out hooker with speed an, ability to commit defenders by running out of dummy half and firing out a quality pass.

What have we now at 9? A hooker/loose forward who strengthens our defence in the middle but poses so few questions of the opposition. Or a utility player with heaps of enthusiasm but sometimes erratic distribution. Or a fullback/ halfback. Or our only out and out hooker, brought from Roosters system, who can't get in ahead of the aforementioned players. Nobody, it seems, who can do what Levi could; I appreciate what Milner and particularly Golding bring to the side, but it's what they don't bring that is the issue. Perhaps instead of hookers we should rename our 9s escorts...

Jamie Jones Buchanan has made a list of his top 5 hookers in the league - all of them can get moving out of dummy half. Seriousaboutrl.com (not everyone's cup of tea, granted) have submitted a separate list and it will come as a surprise to nobody that none of our hookers/ semi-hookers are included in either list.

With speed (feet and passing) at 9 we were able to increase pressure on the opposition and ask questions of them. Without it, at least as I see it, the limitations of Russell are further exposed. An over-used platitude in football commentary is that a player has not performed to his own high standards. Prior to HKR I thought Russell had played well this season - for his own standards. Unfortunately those standards aren't, in my eyes, sufficiently high enough for the level we - at least we in the stands - aspire to reach. How I wish they were...

We could talk about his non-jump for their try, his utterly-infuriating attempt to tackle by holding the opponent's head with two hands, but the issue is he has no speed of movement and little creativity. This should come as no revelation, but we persist with him. I won't fault his work effort, I just don't feel that he offers enough to be first choice.

Connor has been knocked for his lack of pace but he can create something out of nothing. And with him, Clune (I'm not criticizing him; he's looked useful other than last week) and Russell it is fair to say we aren't blessed with out and out pace. Combined with the lack of speed coming away from acting half back, it is understandable why, as some have said, we are too predictable.

It would be remiss not to comment on the forwards' contributions this season too. The positives: Leroy has been fantastic... Erm... Murchie looks promising... Stretching things a bit now... Rushton looks in good shape for his first hit out. The negatives: Hill aside (other than last week) we don't have a prop who can make metres. Marsters made more than them combined last week. English does very few metres when not out with HIA and Wilson doesn't do too many more despite some strong looking carries. Seb is able knock one or two out the way with his carries but those runs are far too few in number; otherwise he is steady away like all the others.

Murchie seems handy but Hewitt to me is another who works hard, albeit not making too many metres, and as an Academy player is one I would love to see succeed, but I doubt he would be in the first choice 17 of any other club with serious aspirations of making the top six.

Last week I thought our problem was as much to do with the lack of composure and unacceptable level of unforced errors, both with and without the ball. Errors which would frustrate at Underbank Under 19s where my dad used to play. I tried to take a glass half full approach from the Saints game (eventually) as we competed well despite looking utterly clueless in attack. After our start against Wigan we didn't look a bad side (though a good side surely wouldn't have started as slowly). But glass half full or empty against HKR, it would have to take something pretty strong to help take positives away from last Saturday. Here's one, admittedly at a push. Despite our deficiencies, we will look much better (and have half a chance at creating some pressure) if we cut out - or even just cut down on - our ludicrous mistakes on the field. Off the pitch with the coaching staff? That'll take something stronger still.