I'm not sure what your expectations are but there have been 4 winners of the grand final so that puts us in with the majority of the comp who must be serving up dross. We punched above our weight in the brown era and success goes in cycles, we are currently in a relegation fight, among 4 other teams of which, 3 or below us because we never give up, yeah I'd rather not see us in these situations but it's ability and not lack of effort and we could easily give up a la hullfc or catalan, but we don't which is testament to the character of the team.

I started to watch Huddersfield when i moved here 30 year ago, i had been watching the game 30+ years before that, just not Huddersfield. For your info i was at Odsell in 62 and at Wembley the week before, on both occasions supporting Wakefield. Maybe you need to stop smelling Bullpoo.

looking back at Catalans tries, the kick through for Tomkins to score should not have been awarded, he was a metre in front of the kicker, and if we had been on TV it would have been chalked off by the video ref, as those types of tries usually go to the video. Meaning we should have won that game if you take 6 points off their score. Which brings up the old question all games ought to have video or none at all. I paused the TV bang on contact with the kickers foot and Tomkins was in front of him about 5 metres to his left. That 2 points would have probably meant safety now.

He really wasn't you know. He's at worst level if not behind the ball. Even so we would still have lost because Catlan were by far the better team.

And bearing in mind London had a try disallowed that almost certainly was a try and had there been VR at that game we would have lost. I really don't think we have any room to be playing the what if game.