Ok, sat in a comfy position on the other side of the fence on Saturday (as meast has kindly pointed out, not the usual position against you lot in recent years, thanks meast
), here's what I think.
I think changing the coach would be a knee jerk thing to do, unless a clearly better candidate comes along. I think you have a very good coach, with a few things he needs to learn about getting over the line in the big knock-out games. That isn't always a quick process - I've been a Leeds fan since 1987, I'm sure you picked up on how many trophies we won in the first 12 years of my fandom... If you have the right set up, are progressing in the right direction and have a good coach and the right players, when it clicks the trophies will follow a bit more freely.
From where I'm sat, you're a few players short as well. You need another ball player to help Brough out. Ellis isn't that player. He has his moments, but he's no game manager. Robinson looks a little shot nowadays. The 3/4 line is as good as pretty much any in the league. No concerns there. The pack is big and nasty, and although ours got the upper hand on Saturday, I would chalk that up as a bad day at the office. Jack Hughes would do well to learn from Craig Huby on the best way to take your frustration out on the opposition ball carrier - flailing arms just give up field position. But I think he's a good player.
There is a big mystery in the team though. Perhaps you can help me with it, as I see far fewer Huddersfield games than you: Scott Grix. Likeable lad, seems a good pro. But, is it me, or is he just not good enough for this level? Every single time I've seen him he's fallen somewhere between average and absolutely awful (Saturday being the latter). He generally produces the odd good play to sort of mask the issue, but I can't see anything to suggest he really warrants even a squad place, let alone a regular start, in one of the top teams in the league.
Saturday was the worst I've seen you lot play in quite a while. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.
It's a mistake to assume every body who isn't blowing a trumpet or singing along isn't a supporter,
I think it's great, but when you are at the other side of the field with 2 kids it's not so easy to join in. Away games are rare for me simply because I can't afford them, people with kids of their own will understand all about that, I pay for Sky as a family thing so we do get to watch games on TV.
I started watching Fartown when Murphy was coach so I can't claim to be one of the old timers who can recall Devery and Cooper etc. We have had plenty of Coaches since Murphy but IMO never one better. That's not to say all the rest have been rubbish,T Smith was good and has proved it , It's a shame things didn't work out with N Brown He definitely had the ability to improve individual players , I thought we were a very good side to watch in his early days.
Bret Hodgson would be a very good man to have involved IMO Darrel Powell has done a good job at Fev and Cas with a very average team.
PA is coach now and he will be judged by somebody with more say than we have, I shall still support the team with or without him,
QuoteJolly Giant="Jolly Giant"For the people who are saying not to renew Paul Anderson's contract who are they looking towards to take his place, bearing in mind that the club is working at a loss every home game and the current coach and a possible future coaches hands will be tied financially.
I believe that Paul Rowley is quite happy where he is, Chris Thorman or Kieron Purtill I don't believe would be a better option. Personally if there is to be a change I'd be looking towards Brett Hodgson if we couldn't entice Paul Rowley first.
C'mon get behind the team as it's can't be the end of the road when the league table shows that it's the closest season in years, teams like Warrington lose four games on the trot, winning margins are far closer in most games and the table shows you've got the best defence in the league.'"
Thats what ive said before, if Anderson was shown the door which i very much doubt at the moment then we would get kieron purtill as his replacement.
Warrington lost 4 games on the trot?!?! did the warrington forum want smith out? hope not as he has won some trophies with them albeit not the Grand final.
QuoteEl Diablo="El Diablo"Ok, sat in a comfy position on the other side of the fence on Saturday (as meast has kindly pointed out, not the usual position against you lot in recent years, thanks meast
), here's what I think.
I think changing the coach would be a knee jerk thing to do, unless a clearly better candidate comes along. I think you have a very good coach, with a few things he needs to learn about getting over the line in the big knock-out games. That isn't always a quick process - I've been a Leeds fan since 1987, I'm sure you picked up on how many trophies we won in the first 12 years of my fandom... If you have the right set up, are progressing in the right direction and have a good coach and the right players, when it clicks the trophies will follow a bit more freely.
From where I'm sat, you're a few players short as well. You need another ball player to help Brough out. Ellis isn't that player. He has his moments, but he's no game manager. Robinson looks a little shot nowadays. The 3/4 line is as good as pretty much any in the league. No concerns there. The pack is big and nasty, and although ours got the upper hand on Saturday, I would chalk that up as a bad day at the office. Jack Hughes would do well to learn from Craig Huby on the best way to take your frustration out on the opposition ball carrier - flailing arms just give up field position. But I think he's a good player.
There is a big mystery in the team though. Perhaps you can help me with it, as I see far fewer Huddersfield games than you: Scott Grix. Likeable lad, seems a good pro. But, is it me, or is he just not good enough for this level? Every single time I've seen him he's fallen somewhere between average and absolutely awful (Saturday being the latter). He generally produces the odd good play to sort of mask the issue, but I can't see anything to suggest he really warrants even a squad place, let alone a regular start, in one of the top teams in the league.
Saturday was the worst I've seen you lot play in quite a while. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water.'"
We have had whole topics/debates about Grix every season!
I've been saying since the play off last year we need to change our coach. This is not a reaction to the leeds game.
I do not think PA is a bad coach, I just feel he has taken us as far as we can. We have not improved over the last 2 years, we have declined (only slightly) and seem to be stuck in a bit of a rut.
I would not do it now, I would wait until next season then give Purtill a crack. A Tim sheens would be nice but in reality it would be Purtill.
As El Diablo said, we are weak at FB and SH (also hooker for me) so let's get some youngsters in the squad, we already have Connor and Leeming with a bit of experience.
Playing the kids will take a time of transition, I for one am happy to wait and watch these youngsters grow into SL players. Let's be fair, 3 seasons with Grix and Robbo we will win nothing so might as well win nothing whilst preparing for the future. When we have injuries play Learmonth and Robertts instead of getting loan players or re- shuffling the team.
QuoteFARTOWNFORLIFE="FARTOWNFORLIFE"I've been saying since the play off last year we need to change our coach. This is not a reaction to the leeds game.
I do not think PA is a bad coach, I just feel he has taken us as far as we can. We have not improved over the last 2 years, we have declined (only slightly) and seem to be stuck in a bit of a rut.
I would not do it now, I would wait until next season then give Purtill a crack. A Tim sheens would be nice but in reality it would be Purtill.
As El Diablo said, we are weak at FB and SH (also hooker for me) so let's get some youngsters in the squad, we already have Connor and Leeming with a bit of experience.
Playing the kids will take a time of transition, I for one am happy to wait and watch these youngsters grow into SL players. Let's be fair, 3 seasons with Grix and Robbo we will win nothing so might as well win nothing whilst preparing for the future. When we have injuries play Learmonth and Robertts instead of getting loan players or re- shuffling the team.'"
'd love to see the younger players drafted in but is it wise now that promotion and relegation is back?We are in a good position in fourth at present but we have some very hard games coming up.
some good points there El diablo, but to say our pack is nasty isn't true, whilst they are good players, we don't have the aggression we've had in recent years with the likes of o'donnell, mason, griffin etc, huby, crabtree and kopczak aren't anywhere near the same level as those guys were in terms of aggression.
i do think we have stalled a bit and as much as FFL says, we need to be looking to the youngsters to take over from the likes of robbo, grix etc, they have both been very good players for us and are both decent enough to have as squad players but for me, leeming, connor etc are the future now and we should be looking at using guys like these more often now.
if the youngsters are good enough they will get their chance
wardle
mcgillvary
connor
johnson
Leeming
all got their chance, if they take it they will follow the likes of crabtree, lawrence and cudjoe
wardle and mcgillvary took their chance and now are regulars, mulllally is now a regular too
unfortunately some just arent good enough to make the step up, you can tell the ones that will as they stand out like a sore thumb playing in the under 19's
QuoteFARTOWNFORLIFE="FARTOWNFORLIFE"I've been saying since the play off last year we need to change our coach. This is not a reaction to the leeds game.
I do not think PA is a bad coach, I just feel he has taken us as far as we can. We have not improved over the last 2 years, we have declined (only slightly) and seem to be stuck in a bit of a rut.
I would not do it now, I would wait until next season then give Purtill a crack. A Tim sheens would be nice but in reality it would be Purtill.
As El Diablo said, we are weak at FB and SH (also hooker for me) so let's get some youngsters in the squad, we already have Connor and Leeming with a bit of experience.
Playing the kids will take a time of transition, I for one am happy to wait and watch these youngsters grow into SL players. Let's be fair, 3 seasons with Grix and Robbo we will win nothing so might as well win nothing whilst preparing for the future. When we have injuries play Learmonth and Robertts instead of getting loan players or re- shuffling the team.'"
I'm a bit confused with What you mean. On the one hand calling for the coaches head cause we are winning nowt-then saying you are happy to watch us not win owt whilst we play a load of kids.
If you are happy for us to bring the kids through then let anderson do it- he can only do it now as finally the quality is there in our youngsters.
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