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Anyone remember Toby Green? Think he only played 3 or 4 games for us in 2001, hooker... useless

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Yeah I remember I used to always read the League Express match reports from the NFP when Weston was down there and it sounded like he was a class apart.

I think with some players, they are just missing one thing at the top level, and they end up as real world beaters in the lower division but no better than hold their own in Super League.

Neil Turley was one like that. Jamie Rooney, Phil Cantillon and Cliff Beverley also. And another ex Huddersfield player Matt Sturm, we signed him from the NFP when he was rated prop of the year, with him I think it was just he lacked size to be a top flight prop because other than that he had a great engine on him and would run all day as a battering ram, kind of like a Danny Nutley figure just didn't have the physique.

Hudds probably had guys from teh 2002 season that would fit the same description, they carved up the lower division in that promotion year but were just steady eddies when they made the step up.

The guys that make the step up from top national league player to top SL player are quite rare: Brough, Gardner, Wilkin, Hill come to mind but can't think of many others.

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if i remember right craig weston suffered a few ankle knee type injuries and had some special boots made that were built up in some way which helped him

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Remember Craig Westons first game in our reserve side, I seem to recall he was diagnosed with having one leg slightly shorter than the other which is why he always had hip problems playing for us.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Interesting reading some of the names on here. Those Hudds teams of 1999 to 2000 that were wooden spoonists by miles actually had players that were decent players at other clubs

I think that it's easy to build a good side on paper. But it's much harder to build a good culture that delivers a winning side on the pitch.

The Giants had good players at that time, but they had terrible training facilities and poor coaching. Some of those players were talented, but didn't have the mental approach to be professional athletes. Some of them, frankly, were stealing money at the end of their careers.

You'll be aware of the effect of culture on a team, being a Wire fan. Tony Smith swept away the amateurish drinking club culture of Paul Cullen and his mates, and delivered you three Cups and the LLS. All done without a huge turnover of players.

The coaches the Giants had for their first two seasons were Garry Schofield, who was very inexperienced and, I suspect, incapable of understanding or responding when the players couldn't do things on the field he could do easily. Followed by Mal Reilly, whose coaching style basically involved shouting at the players and bragging about how much tougher than them he was.

By the time John Kear turned up, the whole culture was poisoned by the disastrous merger and, being from the Sheffield half, he probably had no chance of getting things right. His considerable skills and talents were wasted.

It took Tony Smith to crack the culture at the club open and start building a proper team, much as he later did at Leeds and Warrington. Jon Sharp built on that, as did Nathan Brown and now Paul Anderson. Now we sit happily at the top of SL.

As I get older, the more I realise that most people can achieve incredible things but they have to have the right environment and support. Building that environment and support is the really difficult part and is the key to almost all successes.

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When Gary Schofield was in charge we must have been the most unprofessional side in SL! I remember being in the White Horse on Monday aft on a day off and the squad were all in there getting a good rollocking for getting stuffed the day before.

The meeting ended and they all hit the ale! And they'd probably hit it post-match the day before. Back in the NFP days all of them would come back to the boozer post-match and we'd watch the Sunday SL game. I remember Tony Bowes asking for a Newcastle Brown and the Landlord said he'd have to go to the cellar to get one. "Bring the crate!", said Tony.

I can't see this bunch of players doing that on the weekly basis (if not more) that the squads back then did and I'm absolutely certain many other sides back then, the top sides, won't have been quite the drinkers we were. They'll have had their moments, sure, but they had to have better habits overall!

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