We've won nothing (minor trophies only) in my time watching so its not about winning things as such, it would be nice though, but i go to watch entertaining games........did you enjoy watching the games still ? thatsd the most important thing about the Rugby - being entertained!

thats the way the system has been set up, grand final more important than the league leaders shield?

I agree, teams have seen the Leeds method of finishing strongly and are copying so we get less intense games. If this is going to happen then SL need to change the play-off format to advantage the top teams even more.

I care i want to us to win every game, thats what sport should be about, it is the problem with RL at the moment, i also think baloo and shaun wane think the same pity more coaches dont, but as fartowneurochamps says the play off system needs to change to sort out this apathy.
Still think people read too much into the rhinos two triumphs, they are a special bunch of players at the rhinos and im convinced no other side could repeat what they have done in the last 2 seasons.

My opinion for what it's worth is that the league champions are the ones who finish the season with the highest number of points. Not the ones who win a knockout competition played between eight teams designed to prolong the season. The grand final to me is a meaningless competition.
Having said that the challenge cup is the one I'd love to see the Giants win. (Preferably the grand final also)