I’m not sure that the owner is a back seat kinda guy to be honest - what he says and what he does may not necessarily equate to the same thing

The fact i’ll be imputing more than the owner (as will all) doesn’t shine with me.

Stability could have been created, yet glory came first or maybe egos with the wrong clientele.

We are back to square one again. I’m just frustrated Starbug.

As I was once told, opinions are like s and we all have one. We even have fans thinking that local wealthy individuals are queuing up to throw there hard earned in so that "fans" can abuse them when it goes wrong. Derek still owns the club and most owners take a back seat, especially when deciding to go again or not once TW are out of the way. All we can do as fans is buy tickets to show DB or the next owner that we have the fan base to support ambition

May have had enough initially, certainly don’t believe he does want out now. As I say, I don’t believe for one minute he’s taken a back seat now he’s got a bit of his mojo back

At the moment Toronto should p1$$ the league and get promotion - why throw big money into the pot for pretty much no return

Do I think lessons have been learned ?? Not really convinced to be honest, it worries me he will go poop or bust again - but deffo think he will invest heavily again
In theory the club should be relatively self sustainable at top 4 level in champ with sponsors/fan base/ lottery/LISA etc - reckon his plan is to push once it’s more of an open market, no reason why anyone other than Toronto are beyond us at this level

I think db won't take a back seat because it's not in his nature,I think he's just looked at the spending power of Toronto and thought there's no way it's worth putting the money that's needed to even compete with them so let's be competitive this year and challenge for the top 5 then hopefully Toronto get promoted,then next year more money will be invested to bring in the bit of quality needed to challenge for the one promotion spot

As long as we don’t throw huge money at overpriced injury prone imports.. build from a local core is the only sustainable way.

Looking at the signings I think a few are for next year and beyond but a few are for now so I think they are trying to get the blend right so it is a case of just adding a bit more quality as the club gets more stabilised

I have no doubt Derek will be ' inputting ' more than the cost of my ST

What do you define as ' stability ' ?

Plenty of clubs start at ' square one ' every year , so what is the other option ? , building slowly ? , that involves giving out longer term contracts , something we've suffered because of recently

Frustration is all part of supporting any team in any sport , ask those 74,000 at Old Trafford every other week

Better a back seat driver than no driver at all

For me this year is about 2 things

Avoid relegation

Play attractive attacking RL at the LSV

Next season I'll worry about next November

Agree , it has over the last 15 years or so seemed to become ' de rigueur ' to have a couple of Aussies , a Kiwi and a couple of Islanders in every squad , be that SL or Championship

Given our historical position in the RL pyramid and our geographical location we should be the top target for every west of the Pennines part time player , of which there are plenty given the players produced by the community game in this area

Rereading your post from my perspective Drax , sustainability will only ever come from our local core , but my local core is ' fans ' , that is our local core , build that , and we become sustainable

To me that should be our , and indeed Dereks main aim , we achieve that by playing attractive attacking RL at the LSV , away from home it's win any way you can ( to me if I was a club owner those 2 requests would be my instructions to my coach ) and then the responsibility to get people in to see that attractive attacking ' product ' lies with me

Come on Derek , you are a ' salesman ' time for you ( and every fan ) to start selling ' our including your club to the people of Leigh , by hook or by crook , get them into the LSV

Me too.

Quite a few people saying this, yet they were big favourites in 2018 and didn't make it. I don't reckon they are going to have it their own way, especially in a lot of their matches over here.

What do we think will happen to them if they fail to make SL this time around? (not an anti-Toronto post but a serious question)