Yesterday's CC game was all to pay, juniors excepted.

That is correct, the day it was played is not the issue. Unattractive fixture against a lower division team.

Have widnes gone into super league a stronger club because they went in on a franchise - no.

Are the teams at the foot of super league any stronger because they can build for the future without the fear of relegation - no.

Are the clubs at the top end of the championship greatly weakened by not having p&r - yes.

It is plain to me. The removal of p&r was the biggest backwards step ever for rugby league in the uk.

Didn't attend yesterday, and before I opened this thread I had a figure of 1200 in my head, so this doesn't appear to be a bad attendance at all IMO.
As said previously the attendances in the challenge cup are somewhat dire generally at this stage of the comp, will build up nicely when we get to the semis

To be honest there didnt look many less than the York game, also it was a split gate

Challenge cup attendances this round were all poor:-

Bradford v Donny 3210
Hull v hudds 8327
HULL KR v Cats 7000
Hunslet v Batley 664
Keighley v Wire 2196
Leigh v Rochdale 1229
London v Dewsbury 652
Oldhame v Barrow 773
Haven V Salford 751
Wigan v N wales 4198
York v Sheffield 551

All were Bad, except the two Hull clubs , who are now out,unless some tasty fixtures come out expect the next round s to be worse.

All things considered that bradford crowd is shocking.
Hunslets and keighley gate arn't to bad.
Dissapointed with our gate i was expecting 1600

well i think we were all disapointed at the level of support we got yesterday, but to suggest that playing it on a fri or sat for that matter would of increased it is just crzy.

We will never know will we - especially the Sat one.

A couple more gates from Saturday

Fax v South Wales (879)
Widnes v Saints (3069)

Fev v Cas got over 4k, which is good going for a televised fixture.

For me we need to work with Fax to maximise the gate for this one (as it is in both clubs interest):

look into sponsored coaches for travelling support.
fixed entry:
£10/£12 adults (Open South stand for Fax fans at £10, to build an atmos??)
£5 Conn/U16,
under 11's free

another couple of gates from the weekend

Toulouse v Avignon 1200
Carcassonne v Montpellier 1100

not too bad for end of season games before play offs

really? Hunslet entertain one of the so called biggest clubs in SL and only just topped 2000 and the Keighley game was almost a local derby and didnt even touch 1000
I consider those bad.

Think you got those fixtures the wrong way round Wayne

According to the post by DJ Keighley got 2196 vs warrington which is probably 1200 up on there average and hunslet got 664 which will be up on there average.Apart from fev i don't think there was another game at the weekend were you can say the same