DGM, the point I was making there are a couple who have left fromantic Leigh who I reckon would have now had a SL contract. Even though I am convinced of the monetary influence here wouldn't you rather play in SL than 2 leagues below.

Obsessed. Get over it.

You seem to be wasting far too much time worrying about another club and their activities. You're sounding like a petulant child crying because their friend has decided to play with someone else.

Well its alot more rugby related than some of the crud put on here. If you don't like reading someones opinions and want to resort to opinions of a person rather than your own opinions of the subject, don't bother reading it. This is a messageboard and if I want to post my rugby related opinion on here then I will until I am told by the mods my presence is not welcome. Now do you want to call me any other names?

Its almost impossible to discuss rugby related stuff on here anymore.

That's the great thing about opinions, I think he's taking the P about the pathetic situation with a former coach who is obviously hacked off because Jukes succeeded in something he failed and the veil of what seems like dishonesty in how Toronto are going about their recruitment. Don't get me wrong if they never made an illegal approach directly or otherwise, or if Haggerty is never going to play again, if Emmitt doesn't sign for them or the coach didn't get sky to show them at Salford then my full apologies are given

You have given your opinion on a subject matter that certain Leigh fans are obsessed about (Toronto). I gave my opinion on what I think of certain Leigh fans thoughts, like yours in the opening post, which incessantly moan about Toronto. That should be respected.

I think people need to get over the fact that they took some of our players. It's sport. We are promoted. Move on.

Kurt also doesn't even play for us and this thread is questioning his signing as a coach. Which he is fully entitled to do.

Indeed , something a certain Mr Murphy did a while back

But I agree they've gone , time to move on

To me, it's all a question of morals and ethics - two qualities that a certain member of the Toronto staff claims to have in spades. If you preach morals and ethics, you have to be seen to behave morally and ethically, surely? (all in my jaundiced opinion, of course!)

Don't Canada have any aspiring assistant coaches

Well, I can think of at least one - although he's a Kiwi by birth. But, as I've said before, the Toronto franchise has little to do with the grassroots game that has been growing for the last few years, except for Eric Perez and even then, before the Wolfpack his primary focus was the Wolverines National team (which drew thousands) and not the local clubs (who play on parks in front of two men and a dog). As far as I know there are no formal links or feeder system between the Wolfpack and the existing teams in Ontario and British Columbia. It's a bit like BARLA vs the RFL.

Thats who he needs to grow the game,or he'll run out of players and money down the line.Is he not involving any of the local clubs in anyway in his venture.

The local clubs you mention are open age amateur sides at the moment. They aren't like community clubs over here with a raft of juniors at each age group to tap into.

An odd comment to make from a Leigh fan though as you don't run an academy at the moment do you?

Being they are the only pro squad in Toronto unlike here.I was merely asking mac what input with the youth set-ups did they have. Must admit that really is odd.Oh and the academy is enroute.

Glad to hear it.

Why is it odd? Leigh have a 138-year headstart on them, yet don't run an academy, and have the added benefit of being able to draw from the big clubs on its doorstep for young players and some strong amateur clubs. It seems like double-standards from you really to judge them on not having a youth setup. RL in Canada is still very, very young. Give it chance.

Having done a search, Canada RL do have some sort of Junior RL set up. There's an U17 Canadian side, there's a Junior RL Development officer in Ontario. That's all I've found so far, but at least it's on the radar.

Ultimately, in a salary capped sport, youth plays a big part in determining a clubs success in SL. Sustainable growth like Wigan & Leeds usually holds out over short termism. But, that's in SL, and Toronto are League 1, and you know all too well that if you have the money & the enthusiasm, you can get out of League 1/Championship. Basically, it's not a priority for them at the moment, like it wasn't for Leigh last year.