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Quote: caslad75 "Just wait for halfway through the season when the idiot journo's favourite, Rangi Chase, comes into the firing line! We had 2 years of every Super League club signing him at some point, except Widnes and Wakefield I think. I predict this season you will be in for some fantastic fictional writing in the press! It'll give you a laugh if nothing else. As a genuine question, bearing in mind Rangi plays his best rugby at 6, how do you guys see Chase and Brierley fitting in together? Do you think they will play in the halves together, or Ridyard partnering one of them and the other to full back? Or Rangi interchanging at hooker from halfback, which he can do very effectively? For some reason the Leigh squad this year has me very interested to see how the jigsaw will fit together'"


We've all been speculating on that particular question. For me, Ridyard is the only out and out 'organiser' of the three and Rangi will have to play most of the time, given what we are presumably paying him. One possible solution - although not permanent - could be to move Brierley to full back, while McNally is out. Your suggestion of Chase to hooker is an interesting thought, as I can't see us using a hooker, a half back and just two forwards on the bench.

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Quote: caslad75 "Just wait for halfway through the season when the idiot journo's favourite, Rangi Chase, comes into the firing line! We had 2 years of every Super League club signing him at some point, except Widnes and Wakefield I think. I predict this season you will be in for some fantastic fictional writing in the press! It'll give you a laugh if nothing else. As a genuine question, bearing in mind Rangi plays his best rugby at 6, how do you guys see Chase and Brierley fitting in together? Do you think they will play in the halves together, or Ridyard partnering one of them and the other to full back? Or Rangi interchanging at hooker from halfback, which he can do very effectively? For some reason the Leigh squad this year has me very interested to see how the jigsaw will fit together'"


Oh it was bad enough last year, half the RL press were saying we were guaranteed SL and the best thing to happen to RL in decades, the other half were saying we were a bunch of cheats, going to implode and all our players were leaving. No doubt this year will be even worse (it's certainly started out that way), still it's a travesty the way The Championship has been ignored in recent years and they say all publicity is good publicity.

The Rangi, Ridy & Ryan issue is a complicated one. The full back position is open with Gregg out but for me he's one of our best players & once he's back he'll take his position again. Though people have always tipped Brierley moving to Full Back he's never really played there while Pownall started his career there & is the usual replacement when McNally is out. Agree with you Alan that Ridy is the only organiser, he's one of those players you can't really see what he does but we always look a much weaker team when he's not on the pitch doing it. Interesting idea about moving Rangi to hooker, but with Higham being one of the few players to stand out in our disastrous Super 8s campaign he'll find competition for that position just as strong as at half back. For me I think the only option is rotation, rotate them all round and see how they all play alongside each other, any of the pairings should be good enough to beat most Championship teams and hopefully Jukes should have a much better idea of what works best once the business end of the season comes round.

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Quote: Lowton_Sparrow "Oh it was bad enough last year, half the RL press were saying we were guaranteed SL and the best thing to happen to RL in decades, the other half were saying we were a bunch of cheats, going to implode and all our players were leaving. No doubt this year will be even worse (it's certainly started out that way), still it's a travesty the way The Championship has been ignored in recent years and they say all publicity is good publicity.

The Rangi, Ridy & Ryan issue is a complicated one. The full back position is open with Gregg out but for me he's one of our best players & once he's back he'll take his position again. Though people have always tipped Brierley moving to Full Back he's never really played there while Pownall started his career there & is the usual replacement when McNally is out. Agree with you Alan that Ridy is the only organiser, he's one of those players you can't really see what he does but we always look a much weaker team when he's not on the pitch doing it. Interesting idea about moving Rangi to hooker, but with Higham being one of the few players to stand out in our disastrous Super 8s campaign he'll find competition for that position just as strong as at half back. For me I think the only option is rotation, rotate them all round and see how they all play alongside each other, any of the pairings should be good enough to beat most Championship teams and hopefully Jukes should have a much better idea of what works best once the business end of the season comes rroound.'"

rotation is the obvious answer its a long season and unlike last year we don't want to be going into the play offs with player carrying injuries

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Quote: Lowton_Sparrow "Oh it was bad enough last year, half the RL press were saying we were guaranteed SL and the best thing to happen to RL in decades, the other half were saying we were a bunch of cheats, going to implode and all our players were leaving. No doubt this year will be even worse (it's certainly started out that way), still it's a travesty the way The Championship has been ignored in recent years and they say all publicity is good publicity.

The Rangi, Ridy & Ryan issue is a complicated one. The full back position is open with Gregg out but for me he's one of our best players & once he's back he'll take his position again. Though people have always tipped Brierley moving to Full Back he's never really played there while Pownall started his career there & is the usual replacement when McNally is out. Agree with you Alan that Ridy is the only organiser, he's one of those players you can't really see what he does but we always look a much weaker team when he's not on the pitch doing it. Interesting idea about moving Rangi to hooker, but with Higham being one of the few players to stand out in our disastrous Super 8s campaign he'll find competition for that position just as strong as at half back. For me I think the only option is rotation, rotate them all round and see how they all play alongside each other, any of the pairings should be good enough to beat most Championship teams and hopefully Jukes should have a much better idea of what works best once the business end of the season comes round.'"


For me, rotation is a must. That way we would be ready, should any of the three - heaven forbid - get injured. I wish some of our players had been rotated last season - we may just have been a bit fresher come the Qualifiers, and the likes of Ben Reynolds would have slotted in better when it mattered.

Agree with you about McNally. Although I would like his defence to be consistently stronger, he has proved to be our most potent attacking weapon, time and again.

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Quote: Alan "We've all been speculating on that particular question. For me, Ridyard is the only out and out 'organiser' of the three and Rangi will have to play most of the time, given what we are presumably paying him. One possible solution - although not permanent - could be to move Brierley to full back, while McNally is out. Your suggestion of Chase to hooker is an interesting thought, as I can't see us using a hooker, a half back and just two forwards on the bench.'"


It could work by having a half on the bench and the rest forwards. When Higham needs a rest Rangi moves to Hooker. That then gives a whole new dimension, and very dynamic aspect to the side for that period, and ensures that your most pivotal players are on the field maximum amount of time, but in different roles giving the opposition a dilemma as to how to defend depending on who is where at the time. Rangi has done it before and it has produced some good results. I, obviously don't know the strengths/weaknesses of the squad, but its an idea that could be used and would still leave the fullback position for a specialist player of that position. Only a thought, don't shoot me!!

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From an outsider looking in but also a lawyer, I find the idea of an "unenforceable contract clause" an interesting one, and a novel one. A clause is a clause. That doesn't mean Ryan wants to activate it, of course, but a clause is a clause. I'm not aware in law that an "unenforceable contract clause" exists, as otherwise it would not a be a clause and would not be in a contract, because a contract is an agreement based upon specified stipulations. If Ryan stipulated that the clause be in there (perhaps his agent was worried that Rowley would be poached by a Super League club and wanted Ryan to have a chance to follow him) as a condition of him signing the contract, of course its enforceable.

As for, "he's not allowed to leave, and no one is allowed to talk to him" suggests that the contract is very much enforceable.

Good luck for the season anyway. It will certainly be interesting! See you in the Million Pound Game.

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Quote: caslad75 "It could work by having a half on the bench and the rest forwards. When Higham needs a rest Rangi moves to Hooker. That then gives a whole new dimension, and very dynamic aspect to the side for that period, and ensures that your most pivotal players are on the field maximum amount of time, but in different roles giving the opposition a dilemma as to how to defend depending on who is where at the time. Rangi has done it before and it has produced some good results. I, obviously don't know the strengths/weaknesses of the squad, but its an idea that could be used and would still leave the fullback position for a specialist player of that position. Only a thought, don't shoot me!!'"


Great call

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "From an outsider looking in but also a lawyer, I find the idea of an "unenforceable contract clause" an interesting one, and a novel one. A clause is a clause. That doesn't mean Ryan wants to activate it, of course, but a clause is a clause. I'm not aware in law that an "unenforceable contract clause" exists, as otherwise it would not a be a clause and would not be in a contract, because a contract is an agreement based upon specified stipulations. If Ryan stipulated that the clause be in there (perhaps his agent was worried that Rowley would be poached by a Super League club and wanted Ryan to have a chance to follow him) as a condition of him signing the contract, of course its enforceable.

As for, "he's not allowed to leave, and no one is allowed to talk to him" suggests that the contract is very much enforceable.

Good luck for the season anyway. It will certainly be interesting! See you in the Million Pound Game.'"


Unfortunately or fortunately for you we wont be playing in the Million Pound Game this year, have a great season and see you in August/September, if not before!

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "From an outsider looking in but also a lawyer, I find the idea of an "unenforceable contract clause" an interesting one, and a novel one. A clause is a clause. That doesn't mean Ryan wants to activate it, of course, but a clause is a clause. I'm not aware in law that an "unenforceable contract clause" exists, as otherwise it would not a be a clause and would not be in a contract, because a contract is an agreement based upon specified stipulations. If Ryan stipulated that the clause be in there (perhaps his agent was worried that Rowley would be poached by a Super League club and wanted Ryan to have a chance to follow him) as a condition of him signing the contract, of course its enforceable.

As for, "he's not allowed to leave, and no one is allowed to talk to him" suggests that the contract is very much enforceable.

Good luck for the season anyway. It will certainly be interesting! See you in the Million Pound Game.'"


In the interview Derek said he'd consulted a lawyer and the wording of the clause meant it was unenforceable, without knowing the wording or having any legal knowledge I've no real idea what that actually means in the real world. What he also said though was that the RFL have a bank of approved contract clauses and only the ones included can be used, if a club & player want to add one they have to appeal to the RFL to include it in their list, "Player X can become a free agent if coach Y leaves the club." isn't included. So if they could try to wrangle the legal issues of the clause it's still unenforceable under the RFL rules.

"He's not allowed to leave and no one is allowed to talk to him." to me suggest we don't want anyone making illegal approaches to one of our best players the week the season starts, understandable really.

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If DB asked Ryan and he didnt want to leave it would be a non issue and not worth contacting a lawyer about. The statement suggests to me he wants out.

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "If DB asked Ryan and he didnt want to leave it would be a non issue and not worth contacting a lawyer about. The statement suggests to me he wants out.'"


Hmm, I see it more as Derek wanting to clarify that clubs are not able to talk to one of our star players on the verge of a crucial season.

Ryan needs to be fully concentrated on playing for Leigh so Derek needs to snuff out the rumours from the press that he is fair game and anyone can try to come in and take him. Hence talking to a Lawyer to help warn people off.

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Quote: Nozzy "Hmm, I see it more as Derek wanting to clarify that clubs are not able to talk to one of our star players on the verge of a crucial season.

Ryan needs to be fully concentrated on playing for Leigh so Derek needs to snuff out the rumours from the press that he is fair game and anyone can try to come in and take him. Hence talking to a Lawyer to help warn people off.'"


Spot on. Derek negotiates contracts & transfers if there's a clause in a player's contract left over from before he got involved that he wasn't aware of it's only natural he'd want it clarifying so he knows exactly where he stands.

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Quote: Lowton_Sparrow "In the interview Derek said he'd consulted a lawyer and the wording of the clause meant it was unenforceable, without knowing the wording or having any legal knowledge I've no real idea what that actually means in the real world. What he also said though was that the RFL have a bank of approved contract clauses and only the ones included can be used, if a club & player want to add one they have to appeal to the RFL to include it in their list, "Player X can become a free agent if coach Y leaves the club." isn't included. So if they could try to wrangle the legal issues of the clause it's still unenforceable under the RFL rules.

"He's not allowed to leave and no one is allowed to talk to him." to me suggest we don't want anyone making illegal approaches to one of our best players the week the season starts, understandable really.'"


In legal terms that means "if it came to a legal fight, I think we'll win", which is different to "unenforceable".

It comes down to two things really:
1. Does Ryan want to activate the clause?
2. If he does, does Derek want to fight it, knowing that the player wants to activate it?

My suspicion is that he won't want to activate it, for no other reason than the season is so close, so his choice of team, if there was a choice, would be limited, as opposed to "let's see who comes in for me later in the season".

On the other hand, he shone in a team that shone. His agent might be fearful of the year ahead and worried that he won't. If he can learn to read Rangi, however, and get in the gaps he'll create, he should have a ball this year!

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "In legal terms that means "if it came to a legal fight, I think we'll win", which is different to "unenforceable".

It comes down to two things reallyOn the other hand, he shone in a team that shone. His agent might be fearful of the year ahead and worried that he won't. If he can learn to read Rangi, however, and get in the gaps he'll create, he should have a ball this year![/quote]

Very good comment

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "In legal terms that means "if it came to a legal fight, I think we'll win", which is different to "unenforceable".

It comes down to two things really

Perhaps its just DB's choice of words, Hock had a clause in his leaving agreement, that Salford said meant he couldn't play for anyone against Salford, the actual wording we are lead to believe said something along the lines of "He couldn't play for Salford City Reds against Salford City Reds" therefore DB said if Rowley wants to pick him he can play for Leigh against Salford, Hock duly played and that was the last we heard of it.

Perhaps the clause in Ryan's contract is written in similar gibberish, and that's why DB is saying that it is also unenforceable.

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