There are two sides to most stories.

I don't know the root of the problem but I would like it resolved.

Will someone post exactly what the PPA want and which of those problems are capable of being resolved by the club or the LSV or both.

When I know that I shall make up my own mind.

I know our club is in a very precarious financial position btw.

Unfortunately that's becoming all too apparent!

This really needs sorting soon - do we not still have a 'club ambassador' in the guise of AJM can he not mediate or is he just as miffed??

At Hilton Park PPA passes were used by non players to gain entrance, I witnessed this myself and was told of the situation by stewards , so PPA members were putting stewards in difficult positions by lending out their memberships, this was known by the club management, it was not going to continue at the LSV

If the PPA cannot or will not accept the different circumstances and the difficult financial situation the club are currently in, then they will never be happy, if that is the case, it will be the PPA s loss rather than the clubs

The club have suggested sitting down and discussing what they can offer , if the PPA dont want that, then that will be the end of it

Succinct

Well if past players are doing that they must realise the club needs as many paying speccies as it can get.

No doubt we will get a response from a member of the PPA to resolve this on here ?

On the other hand we could issue passes with the past players photograph on it would that resolve the problem ?

PPA passes have photographs attached!
Don't bring up isolated incidents and lets keep to the issue:
Should we have a PPA?
How would a PPA benefit the club?
I'm sure, that with common sense, this can get resolved. Please remember that members of the PPA include ex players in their 30s and not just "the Greats".

Well if that is what caused the problem then every past player is given a pass with their photograph on and stewards allow them personally to go to in any bar area they want ?

Wouldn't that easily resolve this ? What is the problem if you have a steward who says that pic doesn't look like you then another person arbitrates.

Pics on membership cards work at the gym I attend. Oh and you get a fresh card with a new pic every 12 months.

That doesn't mean they were tickets issued free of charge by the club. The hospitality tickets could have already been paid for and some people didn't/couldn't attend. So the lads you saw could have been handing out tickets that had been paid for.

Keith I am reffering to Hilton Park several years ago, it was discussed at boardroom level, it wasn't rife but it happened, we decided not to embarass the PPA by making it public, we instead let it go but instructed the stewards to monitor it

As for the LSV, as you full well know, it isn't the club that controls stewarding or entry to the bars there

But simply put, you cannot resolve anything if only one side is willing to talk

The club comes first Mr Chairman

Fully understand it, and when the club controled their stadium, the PPA got pretty much everything they wanted , but things have changed, you and they must understand that

I'll leave it there , nothing to be gained going round in circles, or in refusing to talk

After reading Starbug's post I'm disillousioned that you wouldn't tell your mates/family that you saw Woody, Donahoue, Street et al at the bar after the game.
Isn't a rugby club supposed to mix the old and the new, to compare and remember. Wouldn't the current players like to chat and reflect.
This is not a problem in other clubs, give them a discount price and entry to the bar.

Think it is time to close this thread quite honestly.

Are those three players part of the PPA?