Development through academies and infrastructure takes YEARS of money, not a one off parachute payment.
Teams shouldnt be able to buy a team then claim 'oh its what happened on the pitch', there's one way you're going...BROKE.

Where's halifax's academy, yours? Widnes have one. Halifax and Barrow have basically bought a team over the last couple of years without having an awful lot else or healthy club

well said pal.
you know something is right when what you say is answered with something completly different

The one we have now isn't worth talking about anyway, you only get money if you are actually on TV AND are the home team. The amount, well take 100k and divide it by the number of TV games that are shown. Oh and that has to be spent on the night, usually on free tickets.

99% of money to the RFLSL goes to around 35% of the RFLs member clubs.

your banging your head against a wall mate.

We're not talking Championship here kidda.
We're talking about where potential money would go from a payment to a Chp club if they were promoted to SL.
I said it wouldn't be possible to get the structures in place for one year just for you to risk going back down again, hence the journeymen aussies.

But it all has to start somewhere, and if proportions of the payment had to be allocated to the start up costs of infrastructure they could be met with the payment. You say YEARS of money. How many? and why would it take years? It will take time to establish a successful Academy team, but my thoughts on academies is to have a local club allocation strategy allocated by a catchment area. e.g. Players who live in Leigh play for Leigh, Whitehaven play for Whitehaven, and Leeds for Leeds etc.
Does it make for better players in the long run at academy level for say, Wigan or Leeds to snap up all the promising talent and have them win easily every week and year after year, against an opposition who were streets behind them? Or would it not be better to have the talent spread across the whole division with good players in every team and have an even and competitive division, where lads have to perform at there best every week to win the game. Surely that would stretch and challenge the lads making them better players IMO. Yes there is the argument about better coaching etc. at a club like Leeds, but that is where the money needs to go to at smaller clubs, to provide the best possible platform to develop talent in the future, but you also need a fair crack of the whip when it comes to signing them on. Marketing is a fast moving environment it is very much today's news, tomorrows chip paper. That doesn't take years. See Cougar Mania for details, from 500 to 3000 fans in 1 season.



Batley, for all in tense and purposes are a national league 1 side (3rd division side) who have managed to stave off relegation every season for years now. We have always fought way above our weight, and we simply cannot afford to run one and hope to remain slightly competitive with teams in our division with far bigger playing budgets than ours anyway. So to spend money on a 2nd team when you could use what very little cash is available to make the first team more competitive seems like a good move to me. Especially when you look at the number of players who have come through the ranks over the years and made the 1st team. Only 4 players IIRC have made it to a regular spot in the 1st team in approximately 25 years of me watching. Again, it comes down to money Leeds for example can afford to throw £10000-£20000 for instance at a load of 16 year old lads who look promising but might not make it. If Batley were to spend £10000 on a player they would have to be pretty sure he would be a regular 1st team player, not an academy lad who might make it. So where are all the best young players going to go? Where they are getting paid the most, and that is what has happened for years, teams like Batley are left to sign the players who are not good enough and will never make it. I include myself in that too, as I played for the academy but was never good enough sadly.



Who are the favourites to win the league this year? Barrow and Halifax, and who were in the GF last year? oh let me think? So is that not happening anyway? This licensing system is a sham, it is just a smokescreen to allow the RFL to do what they have done for years, and that is to keep it in the boys club, allow in whoever they want, and feather the SL clubs nest at the expense of everyone else. Other than location how could Celtic get in to SL above Widnes, Leigh, Featherstone or even Sheffield? Could it be the glorious delight of Brewery Field? I've seen amateur grounds with better facilities. There amazing support perhaps? Batley are better supported. Face facts it is a joke!!!

Very well put and in total agreement.

It started, lost, started, lost, eventually as you say, most teams ditched their academys as the best players go elsewhere. But that's where I came into this debate saying that the yoyo effect of the pro/rel was just stupid, teams werent spending any additional funding on anything other than journeymen.
I brought up academies because it highlights, for the most part (Widnes not included) Chp clubs just aren't ready right now and when they are a 3 year franchise allows you to put those measures in place.
Considering your comments, most of which I agree with, it suprises me you back pro/rel rather than franchising.

Halifax admitted recently they struggled financially, they're not ready.

The area talent idea doesn't work, teams get very lazy and its unfair on the youngsters coming through a poorer development model. The current system is unfair on teams like Leigh and Batley but no offence, that's just the way it is. Leigh/Batley/whoever are just small towns, they're never going to compete with Warry/Leeds/Wigan no matter if you have parachute payments, promotion or anything. At Wire someone like Harrison would be what, playing chp under your system whereas he went to the WC at 20 comingthrough at wire.

You're really scraping the barrell suggesting Featherstone or Sheffield should have come in before Crusaders. Lets see where they are in 5 years time, I bet you're wrong.
The door is not closed to teams like Leigh/Batley they're just not good enough in almost every capacity, people complain its all about stadiums, well it blatantly isn't otherwise Leigh would be in and their fans cant seem to understand this.

There's more british players knocking around in SL than ever and that's because of franchising imo ALREADY, not 2 years in. I cannot grasp how its a bad thing

Football clubs do give a stuff outside of PL. Considering you could choose lots of clubs outside PL who are FT, where just one of these clubs get goodness knows how many punters more than the whole of the championship comp put together. There isn't a cat in hells chance of say Everton being replaced by say Stevenage if they was in a PT league below PL.