To get an idea of what would be needed to be tippedi n EVERY year take a look at SL club accounts at companies house. Rochdale have had this for a while and look where its got them. St Helens reserves. Lewes Fc play in what division.

With the current structure of RL. To play in SL you are going to need to be putting in half a million a year..unless i am missing something.

You are missing something.

I have recentley been made aware of just how much Mr Thomas was funding us to keep us alive so I take your point. He was a real gem of a bloke who kept the club alive from what I've seen.

The way I see it is we would in reality need to build a buisness model that initially makes us competitive at the current level we play at and grow it from there. The fans would need to accept and buy into a transparent honest long term vision and plan and play there role which I think they would even more than they do now as shareholders.

If the shares raised enough capital from the shares being sold at whatever cost say for example 100 shares sold at a grand each generating 100k this would gaurantee the overdraft and could be deposited at the bank???

If a board were appointed of say five or six local businessmen willing to each contribute 10k per season generating 50/60k per season With LISA and TRC being given board representation to represent the fans at meetings with minutes of all meetings produced and issued to all shareholders in a glossy transparent document.

The current revenue streams are in place I.e fan base and other income via LISA, lottery, TDC, Market stall etc etc so we start with an affordable budget from day one increase revenue streams with new buisness acumen and with a new board driving it and build from there.

SL is a long way away as things stand now and needs to be put in to context weather under the current model or not IMO.

A fan owned commercially driven club can I believe one day make a proper SL bid.

Thanks, although if I could have worked out how to PM I would have stayed off here!

The reason I checked out was not something personal to me (so the sarcastic comments on that line were irrelevant) but just the way the forum had degenerated to name calling and petty squabbles.

I was told about this post earlier and thought it interesting and so popped back.

Here's hoping we can make a difference!

Will drop you a PM now.

Cheers.

That sounds more like a group of small business men running the club rather than a fan run club

Fingers crossed we can all move forward

The make up of a board would be decided by the clubs new owners the fans. I used businessmen as an example as I presume buisnessmen wanting to be on a new board may opt to also purchase shares.

If a particular spectator or spectators chose to buy a chunks of shares they would i presume want to sit on the board and protect thier investment which as it would be a complete new transparent ragime this wold surely not be a problem.

LISA cold play a massive role on representing the fans properly and being given far more of a voice and input han it currently has. Maybe LISA cold be given shares based on its financial input it already makes??? These are all finer details for another day.

The make up of a board would be down to a vote like I've said I'm personally not wanting to run the club or own if truth be know i dont have the time running my own buisness day to day I'd just like to see a new dawn with a bright future we're fans have a voice and control over a board that work for them effectivley as owners of the club.

It wasn't ment as a blueprint just a example of how it may be able to get off the ground.

The key to me is new and fresh buisness acumen and commercial know how.

The start point is how do we generate £100k pa, business owners can be fans as well, to allow the club to grow. Then we look at how we increase revenue streams to sustain that growth convert income to shares LISA gives £30k it gets £30k of shares in return, business man puts in £10k he gets £10k of shares. 1 vote per share to elect a board with the capabilities to make the club the best it can be.

Does the fan who can only afford £50 a year get a vote and a share?

Have you ever read ' Animal Farm ' by George Orwell jc?

Why not, he would get 50 votes for every £50 he put in on a vote per share/£ basis if I had anything to do with it- do you get the voting forms for any shares you currently own, I do and have never voted but I have the option to.
My earlier suggestion was £100 multiples though and don't forget this wasn't my topic.

Ive seen the film.

It seems to me this is the pike,grainey,coffee,coleman,freer model being sold as a fans run club,still its early days.

Good question and these are the kind of questions that need to be asked in order to develop a plan.

My answer would be yes though how it all would work is fine detail.

I was looking to gauge intrest and see if there were sufficient intrest to peruse it.

I'm not having ago mo,i'm just asking questions,i just want to know which fans are included and which are excluded.
If we are talking about a proper fans run community club then surely we need to be looking at the 10s of thousands of households in this side of the borough and all the businesses,not just the usual fan base