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Nigel Wood made a statement at the begining of season 2009

" There was 2.1 million available to the 21 Championship clubs meaning every club could access £ 100,000 "

So that would mean each and every club actually getting £ 100,000

But as it included NRC prize money , Co oP TV money and several other ' pots ' of money only available to certain clubs [ ie GF apperance money ] and it also required clubs to employ certain staff with a brief from the RFL to attain certain levels of sponsorship and corporate support , it was impossible for every single individual club to recieve that precise amount of money

In reality only 2/3 Championship 1 clubs could have done so as they would have had to win either the NRC or make the Championship 1 GF

So yes every club at the start of the season could in theory be a club to get that amount

All a play on words , something the RFL are very good at , lots of rehtoric , but little actual substance

As for the Toulouse travel money [ both ways ] , is it part of that available money ? , I dont know , but knowing the way the RFL ' spin ' they would include every last penny in an announcement so the odds are yes

Meaning one thing , at the begining of the season the only club guaranteed to recieve 100 K from the RFL is , Toulouse

A bit of advice for some posters , the RFL tell lies , especially now they have ' patsy's ' to deliver them

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Would be a loss but not a huge 1 they have a ready made replacment there in Wheeler who is class and will be a top RL SO in the future

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Quote: Starbug "Nigel Wood made a statement at the begining of season 2009

" There was 2.1 million available to the 21 Championship clubs meaning every club could access £ 100,000 "

So that would mean each and every club actually getting £ 100,000

But as it included NRC prize money , Co oP TV money and several other ' pots ' of money only available to certain clubs [ ie GF apperance money ] and it also required clubs to employ certain staff with a brief from the RFL to attain certain levels of sponsorship and corporate support , it was impossible for every single individual club to recieve that precise amount of money

In reality only 2/3 Championship 1 clubs could have done so as they would have had to win either the NRC or make the Championship 1 GF

So yes every club at the start of the season could in theory be a club to get that amount

All a play on words , something the RFL are very good at , lots of rehtoric , but little actual substance

As for the Toulouse travel money [ both ways ] , is it part of that available money ? , I dont know , but knowing the way the RFL ' spin ' they would include every last penny in an announcement so the odds are yes

Meaning one thing , at the begining of the season the only club guaranteed to recieve 100 K from the RFL is , Toulouse

A bit of advice for some posters , the RFL tell lies , especially now they have ' patsy's ' to deliver them'"



no problem with any of that and you make some good points but in this case,the 'patsy' then is Chris Jones from the League Express of 22/11/2010 which quotes 'The RFLs Cheif Operations Director,Ralph Rimmer has pointed out that the RFLs overall central distribution to Championship clubs now stands at around £120,000 per club,compared with £25,000 per club in 2004.And yet the increased distribution from the centre,and a rigourously enforced salary cap have failed to stem the financial losses that most clubs in the competition have suffered'

so the supposition is that this is false information fed to the LE by the RFL on purpose and transmitted by the 'patsy',namely Chris Jones - is that it ?
I'm not a particularly gullible person by nature so I naiivley beleive such statements which appear to be 'offiially' released from Red Hall - no more,no less.

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I am flummoxed buy all this, can someone please make it simple for a numpty like me with a list of all the rules that a club must meet to be given the money and amounts. Or point me in the direction where I can read them. Then if it is possible, a list of all the clubs and what money they recieved from the rfl under these rules. I mean how much of the £100,000 they actualy recieved. Threads like this where there are no real facts and a lot of disagreement are worse than the rumour ones.

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Getting back to the topic of Eastmond leaving the RFL,

As said previously the main driver will no doubt be finance as it was with young Ashton and pretty much with anyone who's switched codes.

The big question Mr Wood and Mr Lewis is why can the RFU offer such deals? Corporate and TV sponsorship will blow the RFL out of the water why??

Simply because the international game of RU is the pinnacle of the sport with a proper structure. We used to have such a thing with structured tours and succesful world cups anyone remember 95, 94, 90, etc??

But we have been brain washed by Uncle Mo, Chris Caisley, Mr Wood and now Mr Lewis in believing the RFL is at its strongest for years, do me a favour!!!

Can anything be done to stop such a drain :-

1) Make the salary cap income related (a bit like it was invented for) with an increase in the maximum spend

2) Structure organised tours, maybe people like Eastmond would dream of repeating the successes of Edwards, Schofield, Millward, Murphy etc

The above two would in my opinion lead to more high profile signings and more media coverage for point 2 above. All of which would allow Saints to at least offer Eastmond a similar financial package due to the increased TV and sponsorship income streams.

Keep going the way we are and I fear for our game in 20 years time!

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Quote: Tipster Ste "Getting back to the topic of Eastmond leaving the RFL,

As said previously the main driver will no doubt be finance as it was with young Ashton and pretty much with anyone who's switched codes.

The big question Mr Wood and Mr Lewis is why can the RFU offer such deals? Corporate and TV sponsorship will blow the RFL out of the water why??

Simply because the international game of RU is the pinnacle of the sport with a proper structure. We used to have such a thing with structured tours and succesful world cups anyone remember 95, 94, 90, etc??

But we have been brain washed by Uncle Mo, Chris Caisley, Mr Wood and now Mr Lewis in believing the RFL is at its strongest for years, do me a favour!!!

Can anything be done to stop such a drain

A few things.

League can't match these deals because Union is a much bigger sport played and watched by a much more affluent section of the population.

Union is nearly three times bigger than League in terms of numbers of people playing. An example - in the NW there are 182 adult RL teams. In the SW there are 524 adult RU teams. The SW is the third-strongest area for Union, behind Yorkshire and London. There are almost as many union teams in Yorkshire as there are rugby league teams in Europe.

Union grew from the public schools and universities, and in many respects the 1895 split was about that, with broken time payments simply being the catalyst. Union's administrators are from the elite in society. So are our business leaders and politicians. The former went to school with the latter. The latter played union in the same teams at university. They all hang out at Twickers, Henley, and in the City of London. Zara Philips is marrying an ex-England Centre. Can you imagine Princess Eugenie marrying Garry Schofield?

Union controls money, controls networks of power, which makes it worthwhile to put vast sponsorship into the game. Union is aspirational. It is literally true that people join rugby clubs to get on in business, to get on socially, to move up in the world. Does anyone really go to Queens or Golborne Parkside or Egremont because it will help them go up in the world?

Union owns its own facilities, especially its National Stadium. We can - sometimes - get 80,000 into Wembley and Old Trafford. They can - without fail - get 80,000 into Twickers six times a year. But we have to hire Wembley and Old Trafford.

Union also owns its own facilities at clubs the length and breadth of the country. There are 8 clubs in the SW Conference. 6 play at Union clubs, two on council pitches. The RL doesn't own a single acre of land in the south of England. It's said that in Gloucester you can kick a ball from pitch to pitch across the city.

Union's international game is much bigger than ours, that's true. We can't offer our players tours to Canada, Argentina, South Africa. They also have an international 7s circuit that covers Bahrain, Dubai, Hong Kong, Tokyo, New York. Plenty money there, I think.

And what of RL? It has more money now that it has ever had (and not a penny from the tobacco industry). Where is this golden age, eh? Pre Super-League, when only Wigan were fulltime professional, and only Wigan ever won anything? Where the RL World Cup was GB, France, PNG, Oz and NZ? The 1990 World Cup never happened, from 89-92 there was a weird series of events with no tournament, no meaning, and only 5 nations involved. What a farce.

Structured tours would stop converts? What nonesense. As if spending 6 weeks in Oz playing friendlies against Manly reserve grade on a Wednesday night in front of 2000 people in amongst a couple of Ashes tests would have kept Chris Ashton in League. Don't be daft. The two things Union has are a massive international game and money, full stop.

Increasing the salary cap would just increase the amount of money flowing out of the game into players' pockets, and would increase the regularity with which the RFL had to bail out mismanaged clubs.

There are three key things that stop our game disappearing into a merger/takeover by union, with all the top level players going over to the dark side.

Number one. Union is far more complex than league. To master its techicalities is exceptionally hard. To do so aged 22 is almost impossible. Hence why very few leaguies have made it to the same level in union. The move the other way, from union to league, is far far easier, especially for backs (forwards' specialist skills in union are useless in league, so its a harder transition from them to us, and impossible from us to them).

Number two. Union is dull. Dull to play, dull to watch, at least if you come from a RL background. Players have far less time involved. There is less of what we consider the essence of rugby - passing moves, tackles, offloads, running lines through or round the collision. There are far more dull games than good ones. There is much more dead time. Far more setpieces where little happens, and most of that which does happen is hidden from view.

Number three. The RFL has done an amazing job at protecting itself. I know you don't believe this. Without the Sky deal and SL, RL would have vanished in a generation once union turned pro. Without limits on salaries and strict financial control, many or most of our leading clubs would have ceased to exist. Without it's brilliant Whole Sport Plan, we wouldn't be the best Government-funded sport in the country (as per playing base).

We are seen as a flagship sport in so many areas, except by our own people. The Chair of our Sport becomes the Chair of Sport England. All other sports wonder how we've done it. Except our own, who still regard us as a calamity.

It really is amazing, being at sports forums in Bristol and Taunton and Plymouth, constantly being asked how RL have been so successful in what other (bigger) sports are struggling at, then looking at our own internal conversations on here about how dire our management is. Sorry folks, it isn't true. We are - now - one of the best-administered sports in the UK. Others look on us with envy.

Interesting you mention 'successful world cups'. Our sport was almost bankrupt by an unsuccessful world cu in 2000. But now the RFL makes money, has money in the bank, and even has the Conservative Government promising to treat our World Cup with the same financial guarantees that it has given to the RU World Cup.

I've said it before, but if the clubs were run in the same way that the RFL is run, SL average attendances would be 30,000+ and all clubs would be in healthy profit. If the RFL was run in the way the clubs are run, we'd be watching football or kick and clap, and RL would exist in the memory only.

The question should not be 'why can't the RFL do more'. It should be 'why can't the clubs manage themselves better and work in the best interests of the game'.

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Well you make a good case but I would bet there aren't 10 RU clubs in the UK who average 5 figure gates. Infact I think that is being generous.

The money thing thats true but the RFL being right in their present policy no I do not believe that.Sorry.

Do you think RU is going to get rid of footie too ? Or perhaps Richard Lewis could replace Sepp Moneybags Blatter at FIFA.

Re Gary Schofield I wouldn't like one of my daughters to get too close and I bet their husbands would agree with me on that.

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Quote: frankb "Well you make a good case but I would bet there aren't 10 RU clubs in the UK who average 5 figure gates. Infact I think that is being generous.'"


Sad but true - club union is bigger than club league as a spectator sport. Fortunately our Sky audiences are still double theirs, and the NRL is the most popular tv oval ball game outside of the NFL. But still...

rlhttp://footballgroundguide.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic

rlhttp://www.gloucesterrugby.co.uk/1110.phprl

This season's attendance figures are all on the Sky web page, via each club page on the stats tab. Can;t be bothered to go through all of them, but here's my home town clubhttp://www.skysports.com/rugbyunion/stats/club/0,20331,19081,00.html
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Ground capacity 10,094, average attendance 9,562, first year in the top division, despite a massive outcry over ticket prices.... that's £39 for a stand ticket.... and over £500 for a season ticket....

rlhttp://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/news/Season-ticket-price-rise-Chiefs-fans-fuming/article-2276347-detail/article.htmlrl

And this, btw, is because of the revitalising of union, not a deficiency on our part. Our crowd figures are generally up, too.

Union is huge.

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Well it is but it is a fad. It is not a spectator sport and as the cirrohsis kicks in then it will go back to be a nothing sport.

They can't even pay people to watch it on Pay TV channels.

Oh and one day soon I will get someone to show me how to do links.

A friend of mine actually went to Twickers this season bet he doesn't go again.

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Quote: Wembley71 "
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Not much in there I would disagree with Joe , and the RFL [ Nige and Richard ] have done a lot of good stuff both in trying improve things Internationally and with Grass roots development [ although their claims sometimes should be taken with a pinch of salt ] , my main gripe is the way they do things

The Crusaders have been a disaster from the start , and you didn't need to be a rocket surgeon to see it would be

Licencing , if they have to do it , fine , do it , but dont pretend it will solve all the problems of the game , it wont , and it makes it's own problems

They dont understand the needs of the clubs in the Championships

Lastly , be honest , that was the defining principle of our sport from the start , we dont do ' spin '

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Quote: Starbug " Not much in there I would disagree with Joe , and the RFL [ Nige and Richard ] have done a lot of good stuff both in trying improve things Internationally and with Grass roots development [ although their claims sometimes should be taken with a pinch of salt ] , my main gripe is the way they do things

The Crusaders have been a disaster from the start , and you didn't need to be a rocket surgeon to see it would be

Licencing , if they have to do it , fine , do it , but dont pretend it will solve all the problems of the game , it wont , and it makes it's own problems

They dont understand the needs of the clubs in the Championships

Lastly , be honest , that was the defining principle of our sport from the start , we dont do ' spin '
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Not much I'd disagree with there, either. My opinion is - tell everyone everything. I've argued the case.

Crusaders - agreed but the best is being made of it. Lessons have been learned.

Licencing - agreed, but again, a bold and innovative attempt to deal with an issue soccer and RU are further behind than us on (see Leeds United, Sheff Wed, Portsmouth, and soon Bristol RFC... I would say 'see Richmond RFC' but they no longer exist).

I think the powers-that-be know that the Championship is the hardest level of the game to address... all the issues of the SL but with none of the money. I'd also agree that the RFL hasn't "solved" the problem. But they are aware of that.

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I think all we ask as supporters of Championship/1 clubs, is more recognition than we currently enjoy.

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Quote: frankb "Well it is but it is a fad. It is not a spectator sport and as the cirrohsis kicks in then it will go back to be a nothing sport.

They can't even pay people to watch it on Pay TV channels.

Oh and one day soon I will get someone to show me how to do links.

yes,could someone please explain how it's done to completely computer illiterate idiots like me ?

A friend of mine actually went to Twickers this season bet he doesn't go again.'"


why do you say that ?

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Quote: frankb "Well it is but it is a fad. It is not a spectator sport and as the cirrohsis kicks in then it will go back to be a nothing sport.

They can't even pay people to watch it on Pay TV channels.

Oh and one day soon I will get someone to show me how to do links.

A friend of mine actually went to Twickers this season bet he doesn't go again.'"


The easiest way is when on the site you want to put the link to, go to your address bar (were you type www.rlfans.com or teach yourself poker etc) and click the right button on your mouse,

a 'tab' should drop down saying "cut, copy, paste, delete",

click on 'copy' using the left button on mouse,

and then when you want to post the link on here, simply press the right button on mouse,

A 'tab' should drop down saying "undo, paste, delete, select all"

Click on 'paste' using the left button on mouse and you should get the site you want appear something like this www.leighcenturions.com/

Good luck
Quote: frankb "Well it is but it is a fad. It is not a spectator sport and as the cirrohsis kicks in then it will go back to be a nothing sport.

They can't even pay people to watch it on Pay TV channels.

Oh and one day soon I will get someone to show me how to do links.

A friend of mine actually went to Twickers this season bet he doesn't go again.'"


The easiest way is when on the site you want to put the link to, go to your address bar (were you type www.rlfans.com or teach yourself poker etc) and click the right button on your mouse,

a 'tab' should drop down saying "cut, copy, paste, delete",

click on 'copy' using the left button on mouse,

and then when you want to post the link on here, simply press the right button on mouse,

A 'tab' should drop down saying "undo, paste, delete, select all"

Click on 'paste' using the left button on mouse and you should get the site you want appear something like this www.leighcenturions.com/

Good luck


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Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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