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Maybe once this is all over and assuming off course no action is taken, we will all be able to see the footage for ourselves.

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we should all boycott the game if thats the case

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Sorry Fred I missed that info off the end of my post icon_wink.gif icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: rob_a "Alan I know where you're coming from and having done the job myself in the past. Unfortunately Cumberland Society is only a small society (and most of us work shifts and weekends) and we are not always able to cover the interchange official's job. There are, unfortunately, even times when we can't cover all the local league games. And it is unrealistic to ask someone to travel what could be (certainly in my case) upto a 70-80 mile round trip to do a job that is unpaid.'"


I understand you Rob. Thanks for the information. I think the 4th official had an unenviable task on Sunday. He must have had at least 20 bodies surrounding him, (sounds incredible, but work it out, with subs, trainers, water carriers, physios, doctors, kitmen etc.) in cramped conditions. Maybe the RFL should be able to enlist/fund the interchange officials for both teams - and give the 4th official a chance. It would also help him if he didn't have the MC stood beside him, giving him constant earache - when Ged Stokes allowed him to get a word in! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: haven4ever "i dont think the issue of 13 or 14 men on the pitch is the main issue here.

i think the 2 main issues are that

1. it appears duffy entered the field of play illegally(throwing his number on the floor instead of handing it to the 4th offical) and then provided the pass for robbies try .What the rule on this is i don't know the RFL may say he was an illegal player so the try should never have stood or they may say it was a technical error and fine the player.

2. the most contentious how can a player be red carded then allowed to be replaced by a sub again i don't know the rule but im told as the substitution was not completed correctly then it has to be reversed regardless of any cards

what ever happens i think most decent RL fans would admit if their team was on the receiving end of this shambles they would expect their club to appeal even if just to find out how it happened and what the rules are.

all this seem to have detracted from what was a very tough game in very tough conditions and both teams should be pleased with their efforts'"


Oddly enough, something similar happened in our previous game against Featherstone. Andy Kain was waiting to come on, while Nanyn was kicking at goal. I guess Kain was standing about a foot inside the touchline. Suddenly Robert Hicks yellow carded him and allowed Fev to retain 13 men. It wasn't clear why Hicks crded him, but if itwas for encroaching, it was petty. However, Fev had a sub yellow carded, but were allowed to retain a full team. Granted the sub hadn't actually created a try, but still similar circumstances.

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Quote: Alan "Oddly enough, something similar happened in our previous game against Featherstone. Andy Kain was waiting to come on, while Nanyn was kicking at goal. I guess Kain was standing about a foot inside the touchline. Suddenly Robert Hicks yellow carded him and allowed Fev to retain 13 men. It wasn't clear why Hicks crded him, but if itwas for encroaching, it was petty. However, Fev had a sub yellow carded, but were allowed to retain a full team. Granted the sub hadn't actually created a try, but still similar circumstances.'"


eusa_think.gif If he was on the field then they had 14 men on, perhaps we should appeal and ask for a re-match? icon_smile.gif

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Quote: glow "eusa_think.gif If he was on the field then they had 14 men on, perhaps we should appeal and ask for a re-match?
Ah but the interchange official hadn't fumbled the card! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: haven4ever "what do you mean allegations, i dont know the law but i know what happened, for point 2 to happen then point one must be correct or why would duffy be red carded??

take your red and white specs off fred and admit if it happened against leigh you expect your club to do the same and appeal'"



Look up the word ALLEGATIONS it actually has nothing to do with the law, which part of geds rant do you want me to refute? I will answer to the RFL thank you very much not to you, I am not wearing red and white specs at all and can only see what my camera recorded which is in the hands (well will be in the morning) of the RFL, straw clutching by haven at least mischief at worst, a petty incident blown up out of all proportion by a man clinging onto a job, absolutely pathetic, and you lot have swallowed it hook line and sinker.

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Fred, have you looked at the incident where the Leigh water carrier got sent off? Was it a stoppage or not? We could be looking at getting into trouble for that also...

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Best thing is; Replay the game with our strongest team out, have the RFL in attendence and, take the bl@@dy Bonus point off them good style! icon_thumb.gif

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Outcome will be [hopefully] the officials will have to be retrained as it seems they did not do there job,can't see any other outcome or teams will be wanting replays for forward passes next

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Quote: haven4ever "i dont think the issue of 13 or 14 men on the pitch is the main issue here.

i think the 2 main issues are that

1. it appears duffy entered the field of play illegally(throwing his number on the floor instead of handing it to the 4th offical) and then provided the pass for robbies try .What the rule on this is i don't know the RFL may say he was an illegal player so the try should never have stood or they may say it was a technical error and fine the player.

2. the most contentious how can a player be red carded then allowed to be replaced by a sub again i don't know the rule but im told as the substitution was not completed correctly then it has to be reversed regardless of any cards

what ever happens i think most decent RL fans would admit if their team was on the receiving end of this shambles they would expect their club to appeal even if just to find out how it happened and what the rules are.

all this seem to have detracted from what was a very tough game in very tough conditions and both teams should be pleased with their efforts'"


No, I wouldn't expect my team to ask for a replay because a sub dropped his card on the floor as he replaced a player. In fact I would be embarrassed if they did.

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But who says he dropped it, maybe the 4th official dropped it. Have you seen the video of the incident yet?

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fred you need to read my post again .When i said i didnt know the law ,i meant the rfl rules on these type of incidents not the law about allegations
i made no allegations simply said that 13 or 14 men was not the issue
the facts are duffy was sent off for illegally entering the field of play and that was in the MC report
As you even say in your own report duffy was involved in robbies try so he influnced how the game went while on the field illegally they are facts
We are simply using our right of appeal not clutching at straws.If your honest if the circumstances were reversed leigh would do exactley the same.
For what its worth i dont think anything other than a fine for the player will come of this.Seen as all the other subs for haven and leigh went without a hitch then this one is either duffys fault or the 4th officals and i can't see the rfl blaming themselves.
i for one dont want a replay,if some one had offered me a BP AT 2.55Pm on sunday i would have grab their had off

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