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Quote: Wembley71 "But league fans are interested in P&R. How many at that Wakey-Cas relegation game a few years ago? How many at the Leigh-Whitehaven NL GF? How many at the Hull KR - Cas games??'"


But I can provide evidence showing opposite to this. What you have done there is picked out a one off Cas-Wakey which is a very rare possibility of that situation happening again. You have chosen Leigh/Haven GF which is 1 game in a season, when rest of league games approaching this final was poor for us. Should we just have 1 game seasons ? icon_wink.gif
You have chosen HKR - Cas who are both well supported anyway and deserve to be in SL with enthusiasm there supporters showed in following their clubs. They was actually intersting encounters in an otherwise poor league. Give us 10 more clubs like these in our comp, and P&R would still be with us me thinks.

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Quote: "Even the European comps in football are separate from the Englsh/Scottish and Welsh Leagues, so why not in RL. With all the money in football its more feasible/affordable for a European League, but no one is interested, and if the truth be told the same goes for RL. We have effectively been press(SKY)ganged into it.'"


SL is separate competition - ridicule the name which I know you do, but its fact. Look on beeb website for the table and look at categories for example

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Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "But I can provide evidence showing opposite to this. What you have done there is picked out a one off Cas-Wakey which is a very rare possibility of that situation happening again. You have chosen Leigh/Haven GF which is 1 game in a season, when rest of league games approaching this final was poor for us. Should we just have 1 game seasons ? icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Nozzy "Why?
Too many years watcing Blackburn Rovers with the ex wife, and living for about 20 years in an area over run with the vermin fans that they have. Landlord of my local pub (a Preston fan himself) used to say that if there was ever an argument between Rovers and Burnley fans, it would ALWAYS be the Burnley fan that would throw the first punch.
Although they did give me my favourite football moment about 10 years ago. When Rovers beat them in the cup, they did their usual trick of going on the rampage and trashing the town centre. Only problem was that it was played in Burnley not Blackburn...

Thick thugs covers it.

Next question.

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Nik is right the Burnley fans have a terrible reputation

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Quote: Starbug "Ask the same question of Mr Thomas at Leigh , how does he guarantee he gets Leigh into SL as quickly as possible , ie 2012 ?

I win the Euro Lottery next week , 50 Million , Can I guarantee that my money buys a SL spot in 2012 ?

I cannot , why ? because of the location of my club

Mr Samuels on the other hand asks the RFL what he needed to do to guarantee a SL place in 2009 , they told him exactly what he had to achieve , and they gave him the tools to achieve it

Not a problem with that

If they had stated that from the start

If we had had Mr Lewis make a statement back in 2006 " We intend to expand the SL competition into Wales , Mr Samuels has committed to finance this expansion and the Celtic Crusaders will take a 3 year Licence to play in SL in 2009 "

" We understand that some clubs will be unhappy with this but we feel that for the long term benefit of the sport we cannot miss this opportunity "

" The franchise system will cause upset to many fans and officials of clubs excluded , but we will make it our priority to help these clubs prosper in the competitions they are in and to genuinley make a success of these competitions "

I'd have lived with that , and personally I think so would many others'"



Like you said the truth wold not have hurt as much as the sham they had all the clubs go through...thats why the clubs outside super league are dieing a death....no future simple as

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Quote: Saintsnut "Why would the superleage teams share the money they get for there comp with teams not in Superleague, dosn't happen in football.



The RFL have just got a better deal from sports england, more money for development of the sport.



To compare Football and RL is plain stupid, football is played by more people than any other sport, they have more teams and intrest in those teams to alow for the leagues in Wales,Scotland,england...etc



He has sold the lease to the ground, which is battered, has a very low rent to pay and no cost for the upkeep of the ground, not a bad bit of business.

Just because thay have 500k to spend dosn't mean thay should blow it on players, remember there is a salary cap and spending silly money would kill the club, look at the mess Leigh is in after a (very bad) year in Superleague. Until clubs like leagie get there house in order they should be no where near the Super League. '"
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SO have saints sorted out there finances yet? or are you still losing 200k a season winning everthing and appearing in all major finals?


me thinks a pie collapse is on the way


what goes around comes around

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Quote: DemonUK "Never happen again at the moment. Doesn't matter who it is, relegation and promotion battles add excitement/interest and much needed income. With the game being run as it is Leigh will NEVER be in SL, it obviously doesn't bother you but it bothers plenty of others. Sky show on average 2 SL games per week and one Championship/Championship1/NRC game per week. Now forgive me if I have missed this but is the TV money shared out 2'"


Why do you think this ?

Also nobody is doubting its exciting to have a nail biter game that involves devasting one team and ellation at surviving for another . You could add even more tention and excitement by having a rule that the team that gets relegated also gets shot. We would have world attention then too. Don't mean its right icon_wink.gif Its a slight exageration.

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Quote: Scooter Nik "Too many years watcing Blackburn Rovers with the ex wife, and living for about 20 years in an area over run with the vermin fans that they have. Landlord of my local pub (a Preston fan himself) used to say that if there was ever an argument between Rovers and Burnley fans, it would ALWAYS be the Burnley fan that would throw the first punch.
Although they did give me my favourite football moment about 10 years ago. When Rovers beat them in the cup, they did their usual trick of going on the rampage and trashing the town centre. Only problem was that it was played in Burnley not Blackburn...

Thick thugs covers it.

Next question.'"


Go on you tube, search for 'Rocky Mills Burnley' and try not to laugh.

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Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "But I can provide evidence showing opposite to this. What you have done there is picked out a one off Cas-Wakey which is a very rare possibility of that situation happening again. You have chosen Leigh/Haven GF which is 1 game in a season, when rest of league games approaching this final was poor for us. Should we just have 1 game seasons ?
Go on then, provide evidence.

Cite me some examples of relegation or promotion matches with something resting on the result in which the attendences were lower than the average for the home side, or lower than the higest average of the two teams on a neutral venue.

What I have done is picked games in a P/R context where the result made a difference to which division the teams played in the following year. Show me your evidence to the contrary.

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Quote: Wembley71 "Go on then, provide evidence.

Cite me some examples of relegation or promotion matches with something resting on the result in which the attendences were lower than the average for the home side, or lower than the higest average of the two teams on a neutral venue.

What I have done is picked games in a P/R context where the result made a difference to which division the teams played in the following year. Show me your evidence to the contrary.'"


I choose the bread and butter games - the league games and play off knock out stage games, where most are involved. I did give you examples already but I will do it again - our poor league games crowds in 2004, we'll leave 2005 out, Batley home in playoffs 2006, Donny at home 2007.
Crowds have gone down in P&R era for us especially. What you mention is a example of 1 game plucked from a season where there are actually 20odd games in a season, and well over 100 fixtures in any given season. highlighting a couple of games out of that lot is not proof enough IMO of enough interest. And certainly not proof enough that a PT club should replace a FT club - similar to relegating a premier league club and putting say Northampton in there.
We all experienced 2004 GF - you couldn't have written the the script. From being on the brink of disappearing to finally getting the holy grail with a match of high drama. The feeling was awesome. I know what its about. But looking back, it was one game, a season where had we not gone up would have most probably been curtains. Was it really worth the risk ?

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Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "I choose the bread and butter games - the league games and play off knock out stage games, where most are involved. I did give you examples already but I will do it again - our poor league games crowds in 2004, we'll leave 2005 out, Batley home in playoffs 2006, Donny at home 2007.
Crowds have gone down in P&R era for us especially. What you mention is a example of 1 game plucked from a season where there are actually 20odd games in a season, and well over 100 fixtures in any given season. highlighting a couple of games out of that lot is not proof enough IMO of enough interest. And certainly not proof enough that a PT club should replace a FT club - similar to relegating a premier league club and putting say Northampton in there.
We all experienced 2004 GF - you couldn't have written the the script. From being on the brink of disappearing to finally getting the holy grail with a match of high drama. The feeling was awesome. I know what its about. But looking back, it was one game, a season where had we not gone up would have most probably been curtains. Was it really worth the risk ?'"


We will never agree about this and I actually do respect your views but you are very selective when quoting examples as per above.

Lets face facts. RL is a regional sport it is not soccer, and, although it,s not my preferred sport ie soccer we need to be realistic.

We have the same potential as 4 clubs currently in Non relegation League and I,m not talking about Harlequins or Celtic Crusaders. One of those clubs is currently second in that league.

For professional sport to prosper, even a regional sport, you have to give every team the opportunity to reach the top level. Franchising cannot and will never, achieve this.

Demon.s point about the pittance paid by Sky to Championship clubs is spot on but the ignorant smug Saints fan,who is not typical, don,t have a clue about real RL.

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