Thanks Reffy. That much understood and agreed with. The problem I have is that the release said THE independent. Presumably that would be the Chair? What qualifies THE independent judge.

The usually jocular Bongser is genuinely enquiring. I think that there would be a lot less controversy were we all suitably enlightened.

I am not sure that is correct. The judges for the week are picked well in advance and they obviously will not know which teams players are going to be cited until a day or 2 before.

Also, somebody like Danny Sculthorpe played at Leeds, Wigan, Warrington, Wakefield, Huddersfield and Castleford. That is half the teams currently in Super League so he would be bound to be judging at least one of his ex teams more often that not.

Tonight's panel includes Stuart Fielden and Danny Sculthorpe both ex Wigan. They are not judging on Wigan players tonight but they ARE helping hand down sentences to 2 Saints players who have a big derby match against Wigan in 2 days time...

I don't think they will be biased but at the same time calling them 'independent' is a stretch with 200+ Wigan appearances between them.

The third member and Chairman of the Tribunal is a Judge.

They can only make it as independent as is practically possible, former players at least have an understanding of the game. We simply have to trust their integrity, and having a 3 man panel should ensure any biased is weeded out.

Full ermine clad Judge fresh from naps in the House of Lords and sporting a wig dodgier than Eddie's?

In name only, without the paraphernalia.

The learned judge will only be bothered about procedure and law, he will ensure that the proceedings are done properly, the rugby bits will be the responsibility of the ex-players.

Local solicitor or full on Juris Prude?

A reet proper judge.

4 match ban apparently.

If you insist on getting bans at least keep them small

A 7 match ban followed shortly after by a 4 match ban, idiot!

He clearly has the talent but he needs to prove he can keep his temper.

Wouldn't play him again for the rest of the season (although he will only be back for Leeds + MPG if we're in it!) and then ship him out next year on a half season or full season loan to the best team willing to take him on the understanding that if he behaves himself he might have a future at the club.

He is too talented to give up on just yet IMO but too hot headed to keep giving chance after chance to.

Dewsbury/Sheffield etc. would surely jump at the chance to get a player of Jamie's quality and gives him a final chance to show he is capable of behaving himself.

Such a frustrating player!

Yes, £100 fine and 4 match ban.

What do we do with this guy now

He has only recently apologised publicly for letting the club down with his behaviour at Swinton and a 7 match ban.

He obviously has not learned what representing this great club means. Speaking to him about conduct obviously is no good and will fall on death ears as it has proven again.

He is a liability and a distraction and by the time we come to week 7 he will have been paid to sit out all but 3 of our last 14 matches due to suspension.

Release him now.

He can not handle it at this level, he is probably better having a couple of seasons back in league 1 , where his actions will be less scrutinised in an environment less intense.

11 games suspended this season. I'm sure Derek isn't too happy paying him to sit on his backside. At least his penalties won't cost in the upcoming fixtures.

Don't agree with the length of the ban HOWEVER, I believe it is a blessing that he cannot be picked for 4 matches. We have more controlled players capable of stepping up waiting in the wings.

One less player for the Fev team to wind up