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[img:24qn1m99]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/DrGomez/Replacementbanner.jpg?t=1284815933[/img:24qn1m99] On thread drift: [quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99] Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.” [i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99] [b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg



Quote: DParky "Well done at your quoting skills.

You've missed the point entirely.

Regarding the award, well club of the year should usually go to the stand-out club, onfield this was Fev, although you could argue teams like Batley always punch above their weight. Of course licencing has virtually ruled onfield activity as second fiddle, as long as you win something in the three year period or get to a Grand Final you can then focus on other things. This is what Widnes have done but it still undermines all the principles that we have all been brought up with in competitive sports.

I know about my own clubs short comings thank you very much and I also know about the hard work that continues to take place.

The Widnes club has a lot of things going for it. You know it, your fans know it, RFL knows it, we know it. I'll let Vikings fans do their own congratulating and if Widnes fans coming on here expect backslaps and champagne well you are in the wrong place, we don't even do that for our own team!

There have been posts praising Widnes but the RFL have created further apathy and disdain in our sport with their different handling of clubs, different quota rules, dufferent rules on facilities. If you need that explaining or can't see what I'm on about then I may as well give up.

I've nothing against Widnes, I've probably seen more games this season than some home fans and do a regular hospital radio show about Warrington and Widnes. I know people involved with the club and even term them as friends.

I respect that the club is just sticking to the rules set down by the governing body.

In my eyes the pressure is now on Widnes to actually win the competition next year. They can't expect to be welcomed into Super League with open arms from a fifth place finish.

Hate is a strong word. There is frustration and anger at the current set of rules that have rendered winning competitions as secondary over three years to having a sexy looking balance sheet.

I won't comment further on this as that is my piece.'"

Nope, I think it’s you who has missed the point of what the Club of the year award actually means.

There can only be one award for the team of the year that is actually worth anything, and that will be decided on Sunday night.

Club of the year, awards the people and staff at a club; the ones who don’t actually take the field but have, none the less worked hard to move their club forward for the betterment of the club and the game itself.

Giving this award to Widnes does not mean that RL is
Quote: DParky "making a mockery of itself.'"
or puts forward any proof of the
Quote: DParky " RFL having seemingly having different rules for it's clubs. '"


This has nothing to do with licences, so stop trying to pretend that it does. This award is not part of an RFL conspiracy and will have little meaning come decision time in March. After reading your last two posts it seems a bit of a cheek that Leigh fans are calling Widnes fans paranoid on this thread.

Widnes deserves this more than any other club in the Championship. We did, after all, get to a final again too.

Either way, you are talking complete and utter tripe.

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Quote: leigh-ratii "Went to the awards dinner in Manchester last night. Leigh were not well represented lets say. No Arthur Thomas, no Alan or Paul Rowley, no Ian Millward, no players - very poor really. From Leigh I saw Brian Bowman and John Stringer and I saw a guy from Hattons Solicitors - they were sat with Featherstone directors. A Leigh Director was there Mr.Beevers, he collected an award for Leigh but was out of his depth, couldnt answer Barry McDermotts questions. Not good really.
Wonder if the Halifax gans who come on this site might find out why nobody from Halifax turned up at the presentations.
Just seen the Leigh site where Mr.Thomas says he is proud and praised the work of the Community Staff and they deserved their award, why did they not appear to show how proud they really were.'"



Well if it is still run how it has been in the past each club are forced to buy a table anyway so are you saying the Fax table was empty? Tony Beevers turns up to the "opening of an envelope " he was at the Fax v Sheff game handing out an award there . He likes his rugby league and so does his Mrs who knows a great deal about the game too.

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Well Pepe I see you too have taken my earlier posts out of context to argue your own point.

So everyone in Rugby League has the same set of rules do they? I don't see it.

I still think that the RFL have reduced the Championship to little more than a box ticking exercise over three seasons thanks to the introduction of the franchise system. This is sadly how fans view it both on here and around the grounds. HatedandAdored did make one good point in his tirade and no I'm not talking about the full stop at the end of his rant...

He said that he couldn't see why Championship clubs couldn't make this an attractive competition in its own right. The trouble is how do you market a "sub-standard product"? This is largely how the Championships are percieved, you only have to read the editorial comments in league weekly on the Championship games.

Starbug had the idea of everyone pulling together for the good of the game outside Super League, well sadly the whole franchise thing ripped a huge hole between fans. We no longer seem to discuss what was once important, creative halfbacks, finishing wingers, mean packs, all we seem to go on about is attendances, box ticking, balance sheets and who has the wealthiest chairman.

Nowadays this isn't the sport that I fell in love with and used to be decided on the field by who won finals and actually finished top of the league. How many people were lost to the sport when it chose that path?

I still love this game, I'm passionate about it, I want what is best for my club and I would love the competitions to thrive.

Come the end of next season they will need to do something about the competitions in any case, this is because the deck of cards can not be sustained with just ten home league games a season. That doesn't pay the bills and unless every club has a wealthy benefactor I can see a lot more doing a Whitehaven or a Rochdale.

It's all opinions isn't it.

Back on topic, do I think Widnes are club of the year? no.

I think there are more deserving clubs. Obviously as Widnes fans you'll disagree.

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Quote: J20 "It has to be living in and supporting Leigh
You have a point... Living here isn't that bad, it's just all those roads to W**an we avoid!

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Quote: DParky "You have a point... Living here isn't that bad, it's just all those roads to W**an we avoid!'"


Hence the reason why I moved !! icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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I had too but in my case it was due to the press of creditors although the roads to Wigan do not appeal.

Parky's post is hard to disagree with and I am told franchising will shortly be imposed on the Championship.

I think this will be terminal for the professional game if it is true.

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A thoroughly deserved award and testament to all the hard work put in by people recently. Yes another string to our bow.

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Quote: DParky "Well Pepe I see you too have taken my earlier posts out of context to argue your own point.

So everyone in Rugby League has the same set of rules do they? I don't see it.

I still think that the RFL have reduced the Championship to little more than a box ticking exercise over three seasons thanks to the introduction of the franchise system. This is sadly how fans view it both on here and around the grounds. HatedandAdored did make one good point in his tirade and no I'm not talking about the full stop at the end of his rant...

He said that he couldn't see why Championship clubs couldn't make this an attractive competition in its own right. The trouble is how do you market a "sub-standard product"? This is largely how the Championships are percieved, you only have to read the editorial comments in league weekly on the Championship games.

Starbug had the idea of everyone pulling together for the good of the game outside Super League, well sadly the whole franchise thing ripped a huge hole between fans. We no longer seem to discuss what was once important, creative halfbacks, finishing wingers, mean packs, all we seem to go on about is attendances, box ticking, balance sheets and who has the wealthiest chairman.

Nowadays this isn't the sport that I fell in love with and used to be decided on the field by who won finals and actually finished top of the league. How many people were lost to the sport when it chose that path?

I still love this game, I'm passionate about it, I want what is best for my club and I would love the competitions to thrive.

Come the end of next season they will need to do something about the competitions in any case, this is because the deck of cards can not be sustained with just ten home league games a season. That doesn't pay the bills and unless every club has a wealthy benefactor I can see a lot more doing a Whitehaven or a Rochdale.

It's all opinions isn't it.

Back on topic, do I think Widnes are club of the year? no.

I think there are more deserving clubs. Obviously as Widnes fans you'll disagree.'"


So who is the club of the year in the Championship?Then i may or may not agree with you.Widnes have ticked all the boxes set by the RFL to get Club of the Year. 1. Over 2500 average which most failed 2.Youth top of the league in the Academy beating Superleague teams. 3.Finances sorted out with profits. 4. Another year in the Rail final. icon_biggrin.gifANCE:

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Featherstone Rovers - best team on the field, a club fostering community spirit, good programmes in place. Ran sides at 14 & 15s last season and will launch their under-18s in time for next season - a positive step and costly one, so well done for them having the financial clout to do that. They are not a rich club, they don't have 2500 gates at this stage but they are on the up in all areas.

Disagree away.

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Have to agree with Parky on here. Can't have competitive leagues with some clubs having a special status. At the moment two London, two Welsh & two French on a different status to everyone else. Lets have a separate development league at the professional level, so that all the professional leagues can return to all the clubs in them having equal standing. Development/ expansion league can then add its Scottish, Midland, SW & Irish clubs if thats what the RFL want & probably realistically what the sport needs.
Also cant see how professional clubs can survive on 10 home games a year, even amateur clubs need to operate 9/10 months a year with approx 20 home games.

Even being an expat Leyther, Featherstone is my team of the year.

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Quote: DParky "Featherstone Rovers - best team on the field, a club fostering community spirit, good programmes in place. Ran sides at 14 & 15s last season and will launch their under-18s in time for next season - a positive step and costly one, so well done for them having the financial clout to do that. They are not a rich club, they don't have 2500 gates at this stage but they are on the up in all areas.

Disagree away.'"


Mooing good for next years award then aren't they! As still behind Widnescin points you mention... On field in league much better but NRC different story? Apathy to Widnes achieving something as a club is laughable tbh!

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If Widnes fans were honest they would admit getting to the NRC Final was very lucky,their record in the games was not brilliant and they even got the best draw in the semis.
Fev best team on the field by a mile, off it no complaints about Widnes but only their fans will think they were anything put a poor 4th or 5th best team where it should count,on the field.

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Quote: Twitch "If Widnes fans were honest they would admit getting to the NRC Final was very lucky,their record in the games was not brilliant and they even got the best draw in the semis.
Fev best team on the field by a mile, off it no complaints about Widnes but only their fans will think they were anything put a poor 4th or 5th best team where it should count,on the field.'"


Exactly and we don't think we were anything special this season though obviously injuries MASSIVELY took their toll at times, the main issue was what the award was for CLUB of the year which you have already eluded too icon_thumb.gif

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It's always injuries with your lot but you never hear us Leythers complain about our teams injuries even though they undoubtably cost us the League title' the NRC cup' and' it is obvious to all' that we would have won this weekends Grand Final.

Stop moaning.

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I wasn't moaning as I said we expect we were poor this season but you have to take into account when you field about 40 players it takes it's toll and heh it could of been worse as people say and you lot found out the difference between playoffs and relegation is not a lot and that would of been bye bye SL! Why is are season such a disaster compared to us?
Moan about injuries? Better than moaning about everything else instead? icon_wink.gif

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