Yes , we managed to match Cas for a quarter of both games , but the Chemics have cut through us from the start in both games

It's a funny old game

Regarding the artificial pitch : I suspect the late tackle on Weston wouldn't have been as serious when he was hit from behind on a grass pitch.
The Widnes pitch kinda looks old and pretty thin/bare compared to a lot of artificial pitches you see nowadays, not sure if Widnes has been upgraded since it was put down or not but didn't look as good as some I've seen in football.
It was not a factor in the result as the differnce for me was Widnes played its strongest team possible, had a better game plan and a better attitude, it is strange but for me they are one of only 2 clubs that I've felt have totally dominated and outplayed us this season with the score only in slight doubt for a short period, we should have been behind after 1 minute!

Back to the drawing board and hopefully we now go with our strongest 13 week in week out as we need momentum.

Yeah, only Hanbury, Ah Van, Gilmore, Dean, Marsh, Burke, Leuluai, Manuokafoa, Armstrong and Ashall missing.

Title - Not Good Enough

What is not good enough

Ok so we are now at the bottom of Super League - what did we realistically think was going to happen ?

We are a fledgling SL Team and we are playing battle hardened SL Teams and coaches who lets be honest looked at us and thought "easy 2 points"

Lets look at the positives:

1. We not only beat the current world champions / Grand Final winners not once but twice scoring 100 points.

2. We beat the other Grand Finalist / Cup Finalist from last year

3. We beat the cup holders at their place

4. We managed to nil a SL team

5. We ran the treble winners from 2 years ago close in both games

6. We beat Saints - That hardly ever happened

So far in the great scheme of things no-one has really smashed us (Cas a little)

Its Jukseys first year, he will learn

Remember our first year in the middle eights, then remember our second year - a million miles apart. Its a learning curve!

No one wants to finish bottom or even bottom 4, but it looks like we will and hopefully we will negotiate it and be in SL next year.

Its a massive jump from the Championship to Super League and at times we have shown we can compete.

Not Good Enough - League position sure, but its a cracking ride though init.

It was always going to be difficult in S.L and every year will be the same, Leigh are competing well with such a small squad and with a few more players coming in I'm sure we will stay up.
Derek Beaumont will have some tough decisions to make next year as some of the players and staff will have to go if we are to succeed in this league, he's no fool and he's already started to make changes.

I'm not going to start going through names who I believe should go as it would be unfair and stupid to start that at this stage of the season. I don't often comment on the board but always see what some of the Leigh think which is mostly positive.

Injuries. And we haven't been good enough against the better teams.

Our number 6+7 partnership have played 3 times together this season.

We've played 2 natural halfbacks in 8 of our 19 games. The other 11 we've had at least one hooker/centre in there.

We've used 15 different half back partnerships.

14 academy graduates have featured this year.


Against the poorer teams (No disrespect) we're unbeaten against you, unbeaten against Catalans and lost narrowly to Wire twice.
I'm not really worried about the Middle 8's. We've not put our best team out yet (I know other teams haven't) and we've done ok against fellow Super League teams who will be in the Qualifiers.

Listening to your rabble getting on the sharra's back to Little Wigan, all I got was, "see you lot in the middle 8's, ref is a homer, your pitch is shizen" etc, I really feared for Widnes in the middle 8's, theres more chance of a snowfall in hell than us going down! I always had a touch of resect for Leigh, for christ's sake my nephew plays for the Rangers, but seriously, to blame a pitch for that first half performance is nothing other than embarrassing because I thought 20 - 0 at HT flattered you!

So hang on a minute , after 3 days you come on here quoting fans imiediatly after a disappointing result , have you read this thread ? , have you read the title of this thread ?

We didn't play the pitch well , that is our fault , in fact apart from Cas you have given us our most comprehensive defeats , a fact posted on this very thread

So you obviously haven't done your homework

So do one sunshine , have to say , I'm not happy with the Viking fans , you've all abandoned RL fans and Total as well to chat to each other on your own little site

Nobody to be seen pre match , you won and then you turn up , if you'd lost would you be here ? Nope , so bugger off back to TIW

Your pitch , sorry I meant Halton Council's is sheeyte, and what's happened to all your fans from the 80/90's...obviously they don't like it either ! Halton Council should be forced to replace the plastic crap, with grass.

The pitch didn't cause us to lose that game - we were just dreadful for most of the 80 minutes and Widnes were far better than us - again.

That said, when you see some of the knee grazes suffered by our players - (did you see those posted of Ben Crooks?) - and presumably by theirs, surely it is totally unacceptable for a playing surface to cause injuries? I'm another in the camp who says they should get back to playing on a 'proper' surface!