I beg to differ about no recorded deaths. There have been many but have been seen as heart failure. One of the effects of cocaine is to increase the heart rate thus causing the old ticker to age more rapidly. Many autopsies have shown that people who have used cocaine and speed for a long time have had the heart of a person some 20 to 30 years older than themselves. Also increased blood preasure comes with prolonged use of the drugs. Reading an article the other day on tinternet the increase in some stomach cancers is being attributed to the use of the type of cocaine that is sold today. They were putting it down to the cutting and cleaning agents used before it goes on the streets.

Sorry no sympathy for the lad.He took the money(his wages from leigh),he knew of the banned substances register,the choice was his and he made it .

Good post Fred, brief and to the point.


Govin, you're an idiot and a waster.

Quote: FredParky " There have been no recorded deaths due to Cocaine use whereas Alcohol, tobacco and heroin use causes thousands per year. '" Fred how can you compare the use of a Class A substance against 2 products which can be bought legally in many outlets. I wonder how many asphyxiated deaths were the result of Cocaine induced stupors? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ot-up.html

Quote: FredParky " There have been no recorded deaths due to Cocaine use whereas Alcohol, tobacco and heroin use causes thousands per year. '" Fred how can you compare the use of a Class A substance against 2 products which can be bought legally in many outlets. I wonder how many asphyxiated deaths were the result of Cocaine induced stupors? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ot-up.html

i had not seen that article but I wasn't comparing anything just making the point that not all dangerous 'substances' are illegal I still maintain more deaths caused by Alcohol and nicotine, cocaine does not induce a stupor just the opposite it heightens awareness

Opiate use also effects the psychological balance and the transmission of electrical impulses in the brain. The knock on effect can result in severe opiate induced psychosis with many recorded suicides attributed to the cause.
Steroid use has similar "personality changing" qualities often resulting in the user becoming over aggressive, manic, with incidents of variant neurosis/psychosies associated with their use of steroids.
Research detailing the mortality rates of drugs users are indeed difficult to record accurately as most users remain disengaged from health pros and pre-existance of conditions is difficult to determin.
Alcohol is one of the most difficult substances for our bodies to deal with. Deaths directly from alcohol use are few - indirectly, e.g. fromaccidents etc, there are many more.
Feels like I'm at work this!!

I've never felt the need to use drugs and I'm not really going to sit in judgement of those that do. However, one has to question the nouse of the attitude of pro sportsmen who appear to think they are "fireproof" from the testing team!!!
Bonkers!

Fred that is the problem with it. Yes it does give those feelings short term but prolonged use causes serious mental helth issues for the user. Paranoia, unable to make decisions, uncontrolable perspiring, respiratory problems and a type of agoraphobia. Users eventually feel that the world is too difficult for them to handle. The stuff they sell now is not what they say it is. Not like the Coca Cola add "relieves fatigue", it actualy induces agression mixed with drink. Since GMP have -and I may add with the help of some club owners - been putting sniffer dogs in the club queues and having the swab machines inside the doors, violent crime at the weekends was cut by nearly 70% in the city centre.

Probably the most sensible post I've read on this board, ever, period.
If drugs were legalised and freely available crime in this country would be reduced by about 85 percent. The goverment could buy all the cocaine in Columbia for what it spends on policing and anti drug related campaigns

I could marry you right now...
Peoples ignorance when it comes to drug use yet continue to consume 30+ units of alcohol on both weekend nights plus a 20 deck of fags on each is astounding. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
I'll tell you what TV boy, you consume a litre of vodka a day and ill take a gram of coke. We'll see who hits the flowers first.

It really doesnt matter one bit about people opinions on whether fags or beer etc are more harmful,and it is true what they do say it is a banned substance in our sport and if you take it and get caught, you are banned and it is silly of a sportsman to do it knowing this when he took it.

Tony I am not advocating the use of Cocaine I know the problems it causes I'm just pointing out the hypocracy surrounding some banned substances when other legal ones cause far bigger more widespread health issues and that maybe the country as a whole should revisit and re evaluate some of the legal substances again.
Alcohol abuse causes far more social problems than does Cocaine abuse, and yes sometimes I also enjoy a drink in moderation I also smoked from the age of 11 to the age of 39

What an absolutely ridiculous statement. You don't know me. You don't know my past and you certainly don't know what I have experienced in my lifetime. Both are as bad as one another but like Jenky says. People aren't getting shot in the streets over one or living in hell where it's being produced.

But in this context is it our problem as a nation?
To draw it back into this context then I fail to see why Cocaine carries a two year ban. As an illegal substance it should be for the authorities to deal with and shouldn't carry the same weighting as enhancement drugs. Ben cockayne wasnt banned from RL for kicking a blokes head in and imo that carries a far serious moral weighting than sniffing a bit of beak yet one is dealt with by the authorites and one is lumped in with performance enhancing punishments. It just doesn't add up.

No but one wonders why they (the rioters) ransacked supermarkets and off licences for alcohol then?

I would think that in Govins case the substance was taken recreationally and not as a performance enhancer and in which case should he be banned or counselled?

I agree with a lot of what Fred says , and It's not just Mick Govin it's a generation of kids who are popping tablets and shovelling carp up their beaks .

These people are not addicts they're just at the age where turning out at weekends the peer pressure of just snort this or just pop this is paet of the norm , they're just using it as a recreational drug .

And as an ex semi pro player I needed a certifacate from the RFL to continue playing as the tabs where on
the banned list .

Since jacking in I've dabbled in all sorts knowingly and otherwise and some where sneaked on me , and the person that passed a joint to me that contained smack got just that .

It needs a board not just from Leigh but all clubs and the RFL to educate young players on not getting roped in by so called friends