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| Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "I don't disagree with what you are saying here tbh. As a club that has been around for a while we see the success cycles and the depressing cycles. What goes around and all that.
My point, which can come across quite harsh sometimes (mainly because of the constant negativity of anything by some on here) is more to do with being competitive. Initially a new fan base would be a lot more fickle than your normal fan of a established club - ie new fans to the sport never mind the club. Same with clubs that are more established playing a new club that is a guarantee win and just a question of how many points etc can put off people that want to see a competitive entertaining game. RL is a very cruel sport when teams are mismatched, and isn't really entertaining.
Thats my fear.'"
Fine so no promotion as long as they get extra help
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| Quote: Starbug "Fine so no promotion as long as they get extra help'"
Which could be argued by the negative ones that they have nowt to play for and are influencing results of other clubs chasing promotion. Also if there did end up being 4 new clubs (notice the IF bit Fred ) then you would have strange league where nearly half can't go up and could end up in a anti climax of a GF where only one of the finalists can go up, or even none leaving the relegated side to stay up possibly.
I haven't got the answer and never claim to have but its not so easy to come up with something that pleases all and help along expansion clubs.
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| Quote: Leyther_Matt "But sweeping all before them (with assistance from the RFL) won't help anyone when poop hits the fan and they're struggling in the league. A few defeats won't put off potential fans as they will at least be aware that they're playing in a competitive league in that case.'"
Being competitive is standing a chance of winning. Getting smashed every week will soon dilute the enthusiasm, and if that is the case there is no point.
Quote: Leyther_Matt "When there is something positive to celebrate then perhaps the negativity will go away, the RFL are past masters in handing out sugar coated press releases then following them with the reality which bears no resemblance of what they released, all's I ask for is some truths if that is being negative then so be it, but believing all they put out and not questioning it or not being allowed to question it by some is stupidity at its most extreme, after all we do live in a free(ish) society.'"
We all have issues with the RFL. A press release about possible 4 new clubs does sound quite positive to me. What happens later happens - we then offer our opinion then.
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| Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "Which could be argued by the negative ones that they have nowt to play for and are influencing results of other clubs chasing promotion. Also if there did end up being 4 new clubs (notice the IF bit Fred
It would be good training for there fans to get use to your team playing for nothing and you can't go up,we have another 3 years of it.
Be great if they could get 4 new teams and let them grow on there own like south wales are doing and not around franchise time some cornor shop owners wines and dines the rlf and hey presto into super league they go.
All for expansion as long as its fair for all and everyone plays to the same rules,not to much to ask for is it?
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| Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "Which could be argued by the negative ones that they have nowt to play for and are influencing results of other clubs chasing promotion. Also if there did end up being 4 new clubs (notice the IF bit Fred
So no promotion equates to nothing to play for ?
If they were that successful on the pitch , you would expect them to be building off the pitch as a result therefore as that happens you reduce the extra help and they get their chance , same rules as everybody else
If you give them extra support and that takes them to a place were it disadvantages other clubs , you damage those other clubs
As for them unfairly affecting results ? , what have Toulouse been doing for three years ?
I do have the answer , the RFL decides which club they want , they tell that club , they give that club a year to prepare , they then financially and via DR and quota support that club in Championship 1 for three years , during that time the club cannot be promoted , after three years the club either continues with extra support , but gives up it's right to promotion , or it then plays to the same rules as the rest
This happens every three years , and we get a new club every three years , " Simples " as the little furry animal says
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| Quote: Starbug "So no promotion equates to nothing to play for ?'"
I never said that. I said the "negative ones" could.
Quote: Starbug "If they were that successful on the pitch , you would expect them to be building off the pitch as a result therefore as that happens you reduce the extra help and they get their chance , same rules as everybody else
If you give them extra support and that takes them to a place were it disadvantages other clubs , you damage those other clubs '"
Agree. But a club could be doing better than it actually is off the field - ie 1st year.
Quote: Starbug "As for them unfairly affecting results ? , what have Toulouse been doing for three years ?'"
I never said this either.
Quote: Starbug "I do have the answer , the RFL decides which club they want , they tell that club , they give that club a year to prepare , they then financially and via DR and quota support that club in Championship 1 for three years , during that time the club cannot be promoted , after three years the club either continues with extra support , but gives up it's right to promotion , or it then plays to the same rules as the rest
This happens every three years , and we get a new club every three years , " Simples " as the little furry animal says'"
Seems reasonable to me to have a club held back until it can find its own feet and can achieve under their own steam.
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| Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "I never said that. I said the "negative ones" could.
Agree. But a club could be doing better than it actually is off the field - ie 1st year.
I never said this either.
Seems reasonable to me to have a club held back until it can find its own feet and can achieve under their own steam.'"
It isn't reasonable at all , it's obvious
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| A couple of things. There's no intention to give new clubs any additional support. The levels of support will bs the same as for all other Championship One clubs. Aspirant new clubs are being asked to show how they will generate income to a viable business plan because the RFL central funding isn't enough to run any club.
Second, there is a massive talent pool, in the SW at least, that wouldn't make enough in C1 to move north, but would be C1 standard players for a local team. Exeter Uni has one outstanding player, and another 3 or 4 there or thereabouts. Uni Glos has around the same. Uni Bath has 2 ex SL Academy players. The SW RLC has around a dozen players good enough. And that's without bringing across any more union lads, or recruiting anyone from outside the area, and before the new intake at the Bristol Academy RL programme come through the ranks.
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| Quote: Wembley71 "A couple of things. There's no intention to give new clubs any additional support. The levels of support will bs the same as for all other Championship One clubs. Aspirant new clubs are being asked to show how they will generate income to a viable business plan because the RFL central funding isn't enough to run any club.
Second, there is a massive talent pool, in the SW at least, that wouldn't make enough in C1 to move north, but would be C1 standard players for a local team. Exeter Uni has one outstanding player, and another 3 or 4 there or thereabouts. Uni Glos has around the same. Uni Bath has 2 ex SL Academy players. The SW RLC has around a dozen players good enough. And that's without bringing across any more union lads, or recruiting anyone from outside the area, and before the new intake at the Bristol Academy RL programme come through the ranks.'"
Then without additional support , they will probably fail
That's my point Joe , I want these clubs to succeed , I want to see clubs all over the country , and to achieve that will require investement , but that investement won't come , because the kind of people willing to give that money won't want to be held back , they want to buy success guaranteed , so it is the RFL that should provide the initial help , the pay off is that clubs should ( for their own good actually ) be held back , all IMO of course
What does worry me is it seems they are looking at dumping several new clubs in all at once , if they do that they will just end up with Championship 1 becoming what NL 3 was a few years back , and how did that all end ?
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| Quote: Starbug "It isn't reasonable at all , it's obvious'"
Don't think it is obvious. You aren't the spokesperson for C1 fans.
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| Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "Don't think it is obvious. You aren't the spokesperson for C1 fans.'"
No I'm certainly not , but the negatives of my idea are what ?
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| Quote: Starbug "No I'm certainly not , but the negatives of my idea are what ?'"
The dreaded fear by some that a team is playing by different rules - because they would be even by not allowing them to be promoted. The confusion of C1 with some clubs qualifying for promotion and others not. With the possible scenario of GF being contested by a club that can't get promoted, and therfore having knocked out a club that could get promoted.
I don't disagree with your idea, but just using example of there is never an ideal situation to please all. Therefore its not obvious.
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| Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "The dreaded fear by some that a team is playing by different rules - because they would be even by not allowing them to be promoted. The confusion of C1 with some clubs qualifying for promotion and others not. With the possible scenario of GF being contested by a club that can't get promoted, and therfore having knocked out a club that could get promoted.
I don't disagree with your idea, but just using example of there is never an ideal situation to please all. Therefore its not obvious.'"
Not ideal no , ideal is all clubs fill their stadiums every match and we get 30 million a year each TV deal , not to mention all clubs owned by billionaire Arab Sheiks
But we don't have that , so we have to accept an imperfect , but hopefully fair compromise , that's what I am suggesting , the fairest deal for all
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| Sometimes Leeeigh Leeeigh you post things that are completely the opposite of your other views. You try to promote Linux (good), but that is like promoting the championship over SDL/Franchising. Yet when it comes to 'open source' RL you do the opposite.
Starbugs idea is actually very good. Winning teams attract more fans full stop. Always has been true (except for our very own Manchester City, where the worse we got in the 90's the more fans turned up). New teams in CH1 will do better with help, win more games and attract more fans. A few years down the line when they are self sufficient then allow them to be promoted, as they will by then have a fan base. Makes sense to me. Of course if they think they can be self sufficient from the start then they should be allowed to be promoted 1st season.
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| Quote: Athy Box Yed "Sometimes Leeeigh Leeeigh you post things that are completely the opposite of your other views. You try to promote Linux (good), but that is like promoting the championship over SDL/Franchising. Yet when it comes to 'open source' RL you do the opposite.'"
I seem to have always supported the underdog and want them to succeed. I want RL to succeed because it is better than other sports along with football (which granted is already there). I want Leigh to succeed and win SL - impossible I know you may think but City are one of the favourites to win PL and are dark horses for CL and FA Cup holders (rediculous even had I dreamt it). As for open source software - again the best software is Open source, and a bit like RL is the worlds best kept secret. There is not one thing that M$ Windows can do that Linux can't do and more. If Open source software and linux stopped right now then internet would collapse, the top 20 super computers in the world would not work, Google would not be the powerhouse it is now, the latest inovative IT technologies could not be developed, and thats not including all the many desktops/laptops/tvs/routers/servers/phones etc etc that run Linux around the globe. Even Apples OS get their roots from open source. Its also Free. I will always talk up these subjects, but maybe not open source as much due to this being RL forum.
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