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Quote: Montyburns "Can’t keep walking away saying you have quit get lots of attention not to go then give it a few week see if things get any better'"


True. Will only cause unrest.

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Quote: Montyburns "He got his dolls back in pram now and decided give it a couple more week your rather all in or nothing'"



So much for he’s deffo gone and that DB was done, why would you start spouting all that nonsense about if you clearly don’t know the truth, he may have hadn’t a wobble which he’s had before but one thing is clear, DB isn’t a quitter and will get us there, I’m sure I’d question myself and commitment with the way things have started after such an investment. You need to make sure you have all the facts before you start playing the “inside man” card and giving us all false hopes/worries. With your “leigh will 100% be replacing Salford in SL” and where about to sign this player and that player. I can guess at facts enough times so I eventually will get it right even if I’m wrong 9 times out of 10.
Please only concrete correct information and not rumours..... thanks burns icon_thumb.gif

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He did quit and changed his mind salford had a close escape it very nearly did happen. Don’t read what I put if you don’t like it

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Quote: Montyburns "He did quit and changed his mind salford had a close escape it very nearly did happen. Don’t read what I put if you don’t like it'"



Last time I checked “nearly” and “100% will happnen” aren’t the same outcome. Unforntly i like to read the forum and it’s impossible to avoid your misguided posts as there crop up everywhere.
Alls I’m saying is don’t go saying things are concrete when your clearly not in a position to know... many thanks bud

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Quote: Montyburns "He did quit and changed his mind salford had a close escape it very nearly did happen. Don’t read what I put if you don’t like it'"


He doesn't get much choice but to read if you post it.

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Derek is a Leigh fan through and through even though he was such an irritating gobby shiiiite 15 years or so ago at the away games watching Leigh.

He has made his money and put it into his Town team so good luck to him. He is unlikely to be the type of person to like criticism but his comments around Jukes' departure did make me think a little. He gave me the impression that Jukes was the Coach because he is a good 'friend' and even though it was honourable to employ him at AB sundecks (which again raises eyebrows that he just wants everyone to like him) it makes me wonder whether he can handle this alone at this moment in time. The whole Jukes scenario was very defensive and passive. Friend or not, if he aint good enough, he has to go !

I think he needs to back off and let the people who are paid to do the job just 'do it' !!! If he cant trust them, dont employ them. A good leader will always tell his Boss to 'sod off' and mind his own Business. Can Purtill do this ?

I sincerely hope that Marwan Koukash gets involved. OK, they are a couple of clowns, but it could be just the release Derek needs. Lets be honest, the infrastructure at Leigh should interest Marwan and his involvement could be the spark the club needs.

We dont have a bad team, but confidence is so low at the moment. we need a good run in the next 10 games to get us back in there because the other teams have alot of points to drop. Playing Toronto in Blackpool could be a blessing in disguise.

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You can't fault DB's financial commitment to Leigh, however, that comes at a cost. DB wants full control & involvement within everything involving the establishment. The situation Leigh are in at the moment is due to DB's impulsive poor decision making. Leigh in 2015 had a fantastic season, they went unbeaten for 20 games or so, beat Wakey, Salford & almost beat Wire in the challenge cup. Leigh won a lot of fans over as they played exciting rugby. However, due to that cc success they had a back log of games to play then came the middle 8 play offs. Therefore, Leigh was flat mentally & physically. Instead of using this as an experience, keeping that squad together & adding to it, deggsy decided to disrupt the squad by bringing in the likes of chase etc & interfering with rowley & his coaching, hence why rowley left. With these kind of decisions you're inviting problems. Okay Leigh got promoted the season after, however, keeping ageing players to play week in week out within SL is a tall order, it was okay in the championship but not for SL, hence why they were relegated. With the ageing players & again poor decisions by deggsy signing the likes of stewart you're only inviting problems, which it proved. What could stewart do that goulden couldn't ? As riddy proved on sunday ... poor decsions are and have been made & that's come from person in charge !! (No doubt I will get the rowley didn't get us in SL replies, it wasn't rowley's fault that Leigh didn't reach SL it was circumstances).

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Quote: valvehunter "You can't fault DB's financial commitment to Leigh, however, that comes at a cost. DB wants full control & involvement within everything involving the establishment. The situation Leigh are in at the moment is due to DB's impulsive poor decision making. Leigh in 2015 had a fantastic season, they went unbeaten for 20 games or so, beat Wakey, Salford & almost beat Wire in the challenge cup. Leigh won a lot of fans over as they played exciting rugby. However, due to that cc success they had a back log of games to play then came the middle 8 play offs. Therefore, Leigh was flat mentally & physically. Instead of using this as an experience, keeping that squad together & adding to it, deggsy decided to disrupt the squad by bringing in the likes of chase etc & interfering with rowley & his coaching, hence why rowley left. With these kind of decisions you're inviting problems. Okay Leigh got promoted the season after, however, keeping ageing players to play week in week out within SL is a tall order, it was okay in the championship but not for SL, hence why they were relegated. With the ageing players & again poor decisions by deggsy signing the likes of stewart you're only inviting problems, which it proved. What could stewart do that goulden couldn't ? As riddy proved on sunday ... poor decsions are and have been made & that's come from person in charge !! (No doubt I will get the rowley didn't get us in SL replies, it wasn't rowley's fault that Leigh didn't reach SL it was circumstances).'"


DB does have to take responsibility for his decisions, but the single biggest error he made was keeping Jukes in charge after the MPG.

Some points to counter some of this post though;

- 2015 8s showed that the pack was not good enough, so players like Paterson, Maitua, Hansen and Weston were brought in. The average age of our pack probably went down in 2016 when you consider they replaced Goulden, Aspinwall and Wilkes
- Riddy case was very bad man management, and my understanding was a decision by Jukes, not DB.
- As big a fan as I was of Tommy Goulden in a Leigh shirt, he retired at the end of 2015, is 2 or 3 years older than Glenn Stewart and not as good a player. GS was one of the best players in SL in the year before we signed him, and we needed a second row to replace the retiring Reni Maitua. Unfortunately we had a coach who chose to use him as an extra half back (see a theme developing here)

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Quote: LeythIg "DB does have to take responsibility for his decisions, but the single biggest error he made was keeping Jukes in charge after the MPG.

Some points to counter some of this post though;

- 2015 8s showed that the pack was not good enough, so players like Paterson, Maitua, Hansen and Weston were brought in. The average age of our pack probably went down in 2016 when you consider they replaced Goulden, Aspinwall and Wilkes
- Riddy case was very bad man management, and my understanding was a decision by Jukes, not DB.
- As big a fan as I was of Tommy Goulden in a Leigh shirt, he retired at the end of 2015, is 2 or 3 years older than Glenn Stewart and not as good a player. GS was one of the best players in SL in the year before we signed him, and we needed a second row to replace the retiring Reni Maitua. Unfortunately we had a coach who chose to use him as an extra half back (see a theme developing here)'"


Agreed.

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Quote: LeythIg "DB does have to take responsibility for his decisions, but the single biggest error he made was keeping Jukes in charge after the MPG.

Some points to counter some of this post though;

- 2015 8s showed that the pack was not good enough, so players like Paterson, Maitua, Hansen and Weston were brought in. The average age of our pack probably went down in 2016 when you consider they replaced Goulden, Aspinwall and Wilkes
- Riddy case was very bad man management, and my understanding was a decision by Jukes, not DB.
- As big a fan as I was of Tommy Goulden in a Leigh shirt, he retired at the end of 2015, is 2 or 3 years older than Glenn Stewart and not as good a player. GS was one of the best players in SL in the year before we signed him, and we needed a second row to replace the retiring Reni Maitua. Unfortunately we had a coach who chose to use him as an extra half back (see a theme developing here)'"

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Quote: valvehunter "You can't fault DB's financial commitment to Leigh, however, that comes at a cost. DB wants full control & involvement within everything involving the establishment. The situation Leigh are in at the moment is due to DB's impulsive poor decision making. Leigh in 2015 had a fantastic season, they went unbeaten for 20 games or so, beat Wakey, Salford & almost beat Wire in the challenge cup. Leigh won a lot of fans over as they played exciting rugby. However, due to that cc success they had a back log of games to play then came the middle 8 play offs. Therefore, Leigh was flat mentally & physically. Instead of using this as an experience, keeping that squad together & adding to it, deggsy decided to disrupt the squad by bringing in the likes of chase etc & interfering with rowley & his coaching, hence why rowley left. With these kind of decisions you're inviting problems. Okay Leigh got promoted the season after, however, keeping ageing players to play week in week out within SL is a tall order, it was okay in the championship but not for SL, hence why they were relegated. With the ageing players & again poor decisions by deggsy signing the likes of stewart you're only inviting problems, which it proved. What could stewart do that goulden couldn't ? As riddy proved on sunday ... poor decsions are and have been made & that's come from person in charge !! (No doubt I will get the rowley didn't get us in SL replies, it wasn't rowley's fault that Leigh didn't reach SL it was circumstances).'"


I don't remember you posting congratulations to DB for getting us promoted to SL 2016 eusa_think.gif
Was our promotion also due to DBs impulsive decision making ? Or, are you posting with the benefit of hindsight ?

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Quote: LeythIg "DB does have to take responsibility for his decisions, but the single biggest error he made was keeping Jukes in charge after the MPG.

Some points to counter some of this post though;

- 2015 8s showed that the pack was not good enough, so players like Paterson, Maitua, Hansen and Weston were brought in. The average age of our pack probably went down in 2016 when you consider they replaced Goulden, Aspinwall and Wilkes
- Riddy case was very bad man management, and my understanding was a decision by Jukes, not DB.
- As big a fan as I was of Tommy Goulden in a Leigh shirt, he retired at the end of 2015, is 2 or 3 years older than Glenn Stewart and not as good a player. GS was one of the best players in SL in the year before we signed him, and we needed a second row to replace the retiring Reni Maitua. Unfortunately we had a coach who chose to use him as an extra half back (see a theme developing here)'"

I agree about Stewart he was one of the worst passers of the ball Leigh had so couldn't understand why they kept trying to make him play like o'loughlin from wigan,if they wanted a forward to do that why not Patterson who could pass and has play 6 in the past d040.gif

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The forwards of 2015 where good enough during the cc where good enough then wasn't they against Salford, Wakefield etc. After talking to the players themselves at the end of that season, as I say it was more to do with circumstances - playing a back log of games due to the challenge cup run then facing the middle 8 play offs was a reach too far. Therefore, adding to the squad would have been ideal ... not disrupt it. And as for Stewart I don't know where this "best player in Super League" is coming from. He had a few good games for Catalans but like Alex murphy said ... good players play well all the time !!

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Quote: valvehunter "The forwards of 2015 where good enough during the cc where good enough then wasn't they against Salford, Wakefield etc. After talking to the players themselves at the end of that season, as I say it was more to do with circumstances - playing a back log of games due to the challenge cup run then facing the middle 8 play offs was a reach too far. Therefore, adding to the squad would have been ideal ... not disrupt it. And as for Stewart I don't know where this "best player in Super League" is coming from. He had a few good games for Catalans but like Alex murphy said ... good players play well all the time !!'"


Could be wrong here, but I dont remember a "backlog" of games. There is usually a "free" weekend for the cup games.

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Quote: Zulu01 "Could be wrong here, but I dont remember a "backlog" of games. There is usually a "free" weekend for the cup games.'"

It was the championship games. Leigh had to play something like 5 games within two weeks or something silly like that towards the end of the 2015 season. Have a look at the fixtures and dates at the end of that season it was stupid, I recall Rowley & Deggsy asking for help from the RFL concerning these fixtures.

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