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Quote: LeythIg "Question one - My point is, I'm not criticising Jukes based on one game, like you suggested with Radford. Basing it on a season so far.

Question two - Conceding the penalty for crossing after going 12-6 up. Losing the ball after a break straight after half time, the red card. Fleming's knock on after dropping on a ball was a stupid mistake. And yes, Higson running the ball into touch. Which leads me to;

Question three - I don't expect him to read the mind of an official. I expect him to play to the whistle. It wasn't a knock on. It went backwards. He needed to drop onto the ball and regain possession.'"


Ok , point one , which teams have ripped us apart so far this season ?

Point two , watch the rest of the games , others make exactly the same stupid mistakes , some even win after doing it

Point three , the ref doesn't blow his whistle after a knock on , Adam saw a knock on , as did myself and pretty much everybody else I've asked since , nine out of ten , that's a knock on , Adam saw an opportunity in what he saw was a free play with a space to run through , if it had been a knock on and he had dropped on it most likely I'd be on here arguing with someone suggesting he should have picked it up and ran with it

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Quote: GUBRATS "Ok , point one , which teams have ripped us apart so far this season ?

Point two , watch the rest of the games , others make exactly the same stupid mistakes , some even win after doing it

Point three , the ref doesn't blow his whistle after a knock on , Adam saw a knock on , as did myself and pretty much everybody else I've asked since , nine out of ten , that's a knock on , Adam saw an opportunity in what he saw was a free play with a space to run through , if it had been a knock on and he had dropped on it most likely I'd be on here arguing with someone suggesting he should have picked it up and ran with it'"


He does make a signal / call to indicate free play, which he didn't make on this occaision. Assuming a free play just yards from your own line in a close game is idiotic. I didn't see the knock on, I saw a ball land behind a player, then watched with head in hands as Higson picked the ball up and ended up in touch.

Some teams make more mistakes than others, none make more than us. And we tend to do it just as we've got ourselves into a game (widnes and wakey at home prime examples)

I've said elsewhere (maybe on this thread), that both keeping or replacing Jukes could be seen as a gamble, but confidence in him reduces with every loss. Especially when it's the same loss over and over again. I'd rather get thrashed one game and win another than lose by 14 every time. It's still 3 scores, so not exactly a tight game.

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Quote: GUBRATS "I regularly discuss ' in the pub ' about ' know it all idiots who half the time don't bother actually watching things but like to offer opinions on them , so I'm obviously ok to have my opinion of them

Wouldn't you say ? , it is after all just a forum

calm down dear'"


As has been said earlier on it the thread, everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless of whether they actually saw the game or not or whether they're actually Leigh fans or not. However, whether you care to read what they write or bother responding to it is entirely up to you.

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Quote: LeythIg "He does make a signal / call to indicate free play, which he didn't make on this occaision. Assuming a free play just yards from your own line in a close game is idiotic. I didn't see the knock on, I saw a ball land behind a player, then watched with head in hands as Higson picked the ball up and ended up in touch.

Some teams make more mistakes than others, none make more than us. And we tend to do it just as we've got ourselves into a game (widnes and wakey at home prime examples)

I've said elsewhere (maybe on this thread), that both keeping or replacing Jukes could be seen as a gamble, but confidence in him reduces with every loss. Especially when it's the same loss over and over again. I'd rather get thrashed one game and win another than lose by 14 every time. It's still 3 scores, so not exactly a tight game.'"


Yes I too would rather get thrashed and then win , but it isn't like that , in 2005 we just kept getting thrashed , that given our small ( and relatively old ) squad is the more likely outcome

Adam didn't have time to look at the ref , he called it as he saw it

So ok it wasnt a knock on , was the one by Matty on their line ? , was their try a double , treble movement ?

As I said earlier , performances or results ? , I'm happy with the performances , we have competed in just about every game , usually going into the last quarter with a reasonable chance of claiming a victory , despite having just as many injury issues as most of the other clubs with better resources ( not that you'd here that in the media )

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Quote: LeythIg "

Some teams make more mistakes than others, none make more than us. And we tend to do it just as we've got ourselves into a game (widnes and wakey at home prime examples)
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To me it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy , " Leigh are the most penalised team in SL " , so we will be penalised more , " Leigh will try to slow down Salford/Cas/Leeds/Hulls fast play " so will be penalised for doing so " Leigh make the most mistakes " , so will be penalised for making them more

So we end up trying harder , too hard in fact , and yes then you do start making more mistakes

Maybe if the media ( and the officials ) started watching replays of the games and commented on say " Leeds get away with more forward passes than any other team " , then they'd get penalised more for it ?

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Quote: GUBRATS "
it is after all just a forum

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I am glad you reminded us all of that, perhaps you should think about that when you call people 'tap room idiots' when they don't agree with you.

In my opinion, you are over protective of both players and coaches, I am probably the same about referees, the difference is that I argue the point whereas you tend to have a sense of disbelief that someone disagrees with you. icon_biggrin.gif

I don't think changing the coach wound be a good idea but he has got to get a grip with the shocking discipline, perhaps giving players an IQ Test before signing them would help.

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Quote: reffy "I am glad you reminded us all of that, perhaps you should think about that when you call people 'tap room idiots' when they don't agree with you.

In my opinion, you are over protective of both players and coaches, I am probably the same about referees, the difference is that I argue the point whereas you tend to have a sense of disbelief that someone disagrees with you.
As suggested , everybody has an opinion , my reference to the ' idiots ' is to the ones ' who you and I know are commenting on ' hearsay ' , I bump into them regularly , they suggest " Leigh are s**t ' the coach is rubbish , the players are overpaid/past it/never will be , that Beaumont bloke needs to open his wallet , don't know why you bother paying to watch it , if we were all like them , proffessional sport wouldn't exist , neither would live concerts happen or any other kind of ' culture '

Occasionally we get them on here , I have no time for them , or the ' Grudge holders ' , not forgetting the full time wind up merchants , most I prefer to ignore

We are in SL , we might stay in SL , we might not , and opinions of what is needed are probably similar to most people , but it's one thing saying we need XYZ , but if they can't suggest where you might find XY or Z , then it's a pretty poor argument , it's like asking for a flying horse , I'd love one , no idea where to get one , last week working in Middlewich at 2.30 the radio announced that lanes were blocked northbound M6 , that's us getting home late I said to the customer , " there must be another way " she replied , no there isn't , which ever way you go , you are stuffed , that's the way it is

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I think you have to put it in perspective guys. It was a miraculous achievement for Leigh to get into Superleague and it was always going to be a really tough ask avoiding 12th place let alone avoiding the bottom four. I know your are on a losing run but that’s to be expected considering all the other clubs have years behind them at this level. You can highlight injuries, discipline and referees but the reality is you had to make numerous changes to your squad and weren’t in a position to sign the quality of players the coaches, supporters and owner would have preferred by choice.

As an outsider I think you have a team that’s committed and been generally competitive and I think Jukes & Co have done a decent job in this regard. To change the coach now could give the club some new optimism in the short term but I can’t see it translating into results considering your next few fixtures. Personally I think your club needs some stability and to focus on hitting your best form for the playoffs. If I was Beaumont I’d stick with what I have and hope that the hard work and togetherness (That only comes with time) pays off at the business end.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

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Quote: GUBRATS "Great isn't it , all these RL geniuses that inhabit these pages , " we need this player dropping , we need that player dropping , why play him there , he shouldn't play here " and yet non can provide 1 single player , or coach who is available to come in to replace what we have , they all seem to know which players are injured or not ,

So come on all you tap room know it alls , who do you want to replace Jukesy with , in fact if you're that bloody clever , ring Dereck and ask to do the job yourself , obviously you're better than him

But you're not are you

We continue with who we have'"

So there isn't a coach out there at the moment who could do a better job lol !
What ! Nobody at all !

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Quote: TMan24tm "So there isn't a coach out there at the moment who could do a better job lol !
What ! Nobody at all !'"


Are you telling us? Or asking us?

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Quote: TMan24tm "So there isn't a coach out there at the moment who could do a better job lol !
What ! Nobody at all !'"


Who do you suggest ?

Simple question for somebody as enlightened as your good self

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Quote: GUBRATS "Who do you suggest ?

Simple question for somebody as enlightened as your good self'"


Paul Anderson. Short term rolling contract.

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Quote: TMan24tm "Paul Anderson. Short term rolling contract.'"


Lmao

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Keep Jukes for now if things don't turn round Paul Cooke would be my choice .

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



Your season reminds me of our first season in SL we started well then couldn't buy a win then scraped in second from bottom by beating Salford and a freak result against Hull I don't know what you expected from this season replacing your coach isn't the answer it's not as if your getting blown away SL isn't very forgiving as I'm realising now we can coast in the championship resting and rotating players every week that's not possible in SL

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